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07-24-2008, 08:49 PM
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Hello;
This is a question about sharing the Lord's Supper.
We have a missionary conference. We come together to talk and pray. Someone also wants to share the Lord's Supper.
Is this permissible?
Most missionaries are ordained elder-qualified men sent out from their home churches. Therefore, when we have a field conference is it okay to hold the Supper? We are not a formalized church, but does that matter, and where's the proof?
Likewise, at pastor's meetings, assemblies of pastors is it okay to share the Supper, since elder-qualified men will administer it?
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As long it is done in the context of a worship service and the elements are properly handled and guarded then I do not see anything wrong with it.
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Originally Posted by Pergamum Most missionaries are ordained elder-qualified men sent out from their home churches. Therefore, when we have a field conference is it okay to hold the Supper? We are not a formalized church, but does that matter, and where's the proof? | I have no proof, but I wouldn't partake. The Lord's Supper is a function of the church, and should be administered in the church, not during church related activities.
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No, I disagree, it must be also accompanied by the preached Word.
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So how come it is administered at Presbytery meetings and the General Assembly in most presby denoms?
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Originally Posted by Brad So how come it is administered at Presbytery meetings and the General Assembly in most presby denoms? |
At the last General Synod I attended, the Lord's Supper was served but a sermon was also preached in the context of a worship service.
In general, the Lord's supper shouldn't be administered apart from the preached Word. I know pastors who sometimes administer the Lord's supper to shut-ins who cannot attend church, but they always bring along at least another elder and hold a brief worship time which includes the preaching of the gospel.
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Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian As long it is done in the context of a worship service and the elements are properly handled and guarded then I do not see anything wrong with it. | Benjamin,
You do realize that your previous position on closed communion makes this impossible, don't you?
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Originally Posted by Brad So how come it is administered at Presbytery meetings and the General Assembly in most presby denoms? | Because a Presbytery is a church. It is the church that holds my membership.
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Originally Posted by Romans922 No, I disagree, it must be also accompanied by the preached Word. |
Why? Always?
There will be preaching.
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Originally Posted by Romans922 No, I disagree, it must be also accompanied by the preached Word. |
Why? Always?
There will be preaching. | Always because the sacrament has no power apart from the Word.
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Originally Posted by Brad So how come it is administered at Presbytery meetings and the General Assembly in most presby denoms? | Because a Presbytery is a church. It is the church that holds my membership. | So Presbyterians could but congregationalists could not?
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Originally Posted by Brad So how come it is administered at Presbytery meetings and the General Assembly in most presby denoms? | Because a Presbytery is a church. It is the church that holds my membership. | So Presbyterians could but congregationalists could not? | I suppose congregationalists could do so in the same way that they have some form of connectionalism but pretend that they are not Presbyterians.
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Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian As long it is done in the context of a worship service and the elements are properly handled and guarded then I do not see anything wrong with it. | Benjamin,
You do realize that your previous position on closed communion makes this impossible, don't you? | As long it is done in the context of a worship service and the elements are properly handled and guarded then I do not see anything wrong with it.
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Because a Presbytery is a church. It is the church that holds my membership. | So Presbyterians could but congregationalists could not? | I suppose congregationalists could do so in the same way that they have some form of connectionalism but pretend that they are not Presbyterians.  | "Connectionalism" is a new word for me.
Can you explain all this deeper to me.
Would connectionalism allow parachurches as well and missionary societies and free associations with Christians for good purposes even if outside a local church?
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Originally Posted by Brad So how come it is administered at Presbytery meetings and the General Assembly in most presby denoms? | Because a Presbytery is a church. It is the church that holds my membership. | Good enough. That answers my question... tanks.
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Because a Presbytery is a church. It is the church that holds my membership.
| I think that's why Elders in Presbyterian churches cannot be tried in a regular church court, as their membership is technically in their Presbytery rather than in the congregation.
You know, when you separate the Lord's Table from Passover by administering it more than once per year, it ends up requiring all sorts of complex rules to police it. When you leave the template, it kinds of floats all over the place and has to be pinned down somehow. Or so it seems to me.
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Much of our understanding in regard to this will depend on our take on verses such as Acts 2:42, 46. What is "breaking bread" in this context? If we agree that it is the Lord's Supper, then it is permissible wherever God's people are gathered in the name of Christ. If not, then other factors must be considered.
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Not to get off topic (but hey I started this thread) it seems the NT folks celebrated more than once per year right?
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But the Supper is an ordinance of the church and occurs in a church context.
Yet sent out missionaries are usually like ordained extra-ecclesiastical elders. Can elders and pastors freely associate for a preacher's meeting or mission conference and partake?
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Originally Posted by Pergamum Not to get off topic (but hey I started this thread) it seems the NT folks celebrated more than once per year right? | Yep and some of us even think weekly.
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