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what are some CT books that i can read alongside O Palmer Robertson? I do want to take a look back at Reymond / Berkhof/ Brakel STs which covers CT
Rev. Winzer gives a good example of answering those questions from one's theology, from...
In contrast we can also look at specific covenants...
What do you mean to say here? Are you suggesting I am answering the questions from my system of theology but by contrast you are looking at the text of Scripture? By speaking of "specific covenants" and isolating the covenant with Noah you are expressing a theological system of your own. The words used in Genesis 6-9 indicate the existence of God's covenant before it was established with Noah and his seed. This means the covenant with Noah should not be isolated on its own. The previous chapter (Genesis 5) draws a clear line of redemptive-historical continuity from Adam to Noah.
The words used in Genesis 6-9 indicate the existence of God's covenant before it was established with Noah and his seed.
a covenant is a binding arrangement between two parties which contains one or more promises.
the promise of this covenant was not established, was not put into effect, was not ratified, until after the flood.
If it is an "arrangement" it must contain a testamentary aspect.
But "agreement" must also be present because God requires faith and obedience in each and every instance.
By faith Noah became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
The covenant as established with Noah was in effectual operation before and through the flood.
This is incorrect.
You are confusing the difference between the covenant promise God established with Noah and (living creates) in Genesis 6 with the covenant promise God established with all men and all living creatures in Genesis 9.
The one in Genesis 9 is not an "agreement" because God does not require faith and obedience in this instance.
Heb. 11:7 (KJV) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
This is referring to the covenant promise God established in Genesis 6, not Genesis 9. The texts here are clear, and I include them below.
As noted previously, it is not the same promise as can clearly be seen in those Scriptures already provided. The concept of "covenant" is pointless if it excludes the Biblical concept of the one or more promises of a covenant.As noted, it is the same covenant,...
It clearly refers equally to the covenant established with Noah before the flood and the extension of it to the "seed."
There are places throughout Scripture which can explain heir and inheritance and receiving of promises without change the meaning of covenant. But you have already predecided against this. Let me instead provide another quote. After this I am withdrawing myself from the rest of this conversation. The system called covenant theology, depending on who you read, has a fault with understanding the concept of a covenant. This has been clearly demonstrated in this thread in that this flaw forces mistakes to be made with Scriptures were God makes or establishes covenants with men.If it is incorrect how did he become "heir" of the righteousness which is by faith? Your view strips the arrangement of the inheritance.
The concept of "covenant" is pointless if it excludes the Biblical concept of the one or more promises of a covenant.
Let me instead provide another quote. After this I am withdrawing myself from the rest of this conversation. The system called covenant theology, depending on who you read, has a fault with understanding the concept of a covenant. This has been clearly demonstrated in this thread in that this flaw forces mistakes to be made with Scriptures were God makes or establishes covenants with men.