Thoughts on Windows 10 - Windows Users Only, Please

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Fellow Windows Users of the PB,

What are you thoughts on the Windows 10 upgrade? I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium on a 2010 Gateway gaming machine handed down to me by my son, and I've downloaded the Get Windows 10 app which says I'm good to go. Any thoughts as to why it would be good or bad to upgrade?

Thanks,

P.S. I don't care to hear about the superiority of other operating systems or computer brands. I'm as staunch in my Windows use as I am in my Presbyterianism. :)
 
They aren't clear what the costs will be the second year. "First year free" is the only thing holding me back. I can use Win7 for free (and I was happy enough with XP) as long as my machine lasts. Vista was junk, and Win 8 was like playing 'hide and seek'. It worked fine if you could figure out where things were hidden.

I expect 10 to be functional (at least after the first couple of service packs) but I'll stick with 7 if they don't get honest with their subscription costs.
 
They aren't clear what the costs will be the second year. "First year free" is the only thing holding me back. I can use Win7 for free (and I was happy enough with XP) as long as my machine lasts. Vista was junk, and Win 8 was like playing 'hide and seek'. It worked fine if you could figure out where things were hidden.

I expect 10 to be functional (at least after the first couple of service packs) but I'll stick with 7 if they don't get honest with their subscription costs.

Interesting point, Edward. I got the notification too, but I had not considered there may be a subscription cost down the road.

If I were to try it, I suppose I'd want to make sure to have a system image of the current install that I could go back to.

I'm happy enough with Win 7 as well. On a Solid State Drive machine, it's as fast as anything I could ever want, easy to use, and easy to index.
 
They aren't clear what the costs will be the second year. "First year free" is the only thing holding me back. I can use Win7 for free (and I was happy enough with XP) as long as my machine lasts. Vista was junk, and Win 8 was like playing 'hide and seek'. It worked fine if you could figure out where things were hidden.

According to the Get Windows 10 app and the Microsoft update website, "After you install Windows 10, it's all yours!"
 
I don't think it is free for one year. I think you have one year to get the free upgrade:

[h=3]Is the upgrade really free?

[/h][FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Yes, it’s free. This is a full version of Windows, not a trial or introductory version. It is available for a limited time: you have one year from the time Windows 10 is available to take advantage of this offer.


[/FONT]

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq?ocid=win10_auxapp_LearnMore_win10faq
 
Looks like they've changed the language on this issue. The only remaining ambiguity is this:

"Additional requirements may apply over time for updates."
http://www.microsoft.com/en-US/wind...nch_SEM_GOO_MSBranded_DESIRE_en-US_windows 10

ZDNet suggests that I was not alone in this concern:
"Microsoft contributed to the confusion with some clumsy wording"
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-youve-got-questions-ive-got-answers/

You can see a screen capture of the original language here at Forbes if you want to compare what they used to say to what they are saying now.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/06/17/windows-10-free-for-1-year-what-happens-next/

I'll leave open the question as to whether Microsoft changed directions, generating mixed messages, whether they backed off when they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, or whether they lack a legal staff capable of drafting what they mean. But what they said at first and what they are saying now aren't exactly the same.
 
I'm hearing that Microsoft wants out of supplying security patches and upgrades for 7. I was quite concerned about the subscription model for Adobe creative suite, but so far I've had no surprises.
 
Is the interface more like Windows 8, or 7. Does anyone know?
I deleted Windows 8. Need I say more???

Ed
 
Is the interface more like Windows 8, or 7. Does anyone know?
I deleted Windows 8. Need I say more???

Ed

Like 7, Windows 10 is much more Desktop-friendly.

The Start screen has reverted to a Start menu except on tablets.

The inflexible Modern apps are now like ordinary programs (renamed 'universal apps') which open in windows and can be resized, etc. There is no clashing Desktop/Metro UI, but it is overall much more seamless.

A highlight is probably the brand new browser Edge, replacing Internet Explorer, which will probably be a rival to Chrome. One of its useful features is the ability to annotate web pages.
 
I've been using Firefox for years because of the script blocker. I hadn't realized until I started reading discussions of the new MS browser that they had built in a script blocker of sorts, off by default, in the last few releases of IE.


Back to the original post and other indicating a willingness to go to Win10. You do realize they are taking away "Hearts" in the 10 release?
 
I'm hearing that Microsoft wants out of supplying security patches and upgrades for 7. I was quite concerned about the subscription model for Adobe creative suite, but so far I've had no surprises.
Do you mean they way they "wanted out" of supporting Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows 98, Windows 95, Windows 3.x, Windows 2.x, Windows 1, DOS 5,4,3,2,1?

It's pretty standard practice that patching only goes back so far for any software.
Is the interface more like Windows 8, or 7. Does anyone know?
I deleted Windows 8. Need I say more???

Ed

It's not like the Windows 8 Metro interface. I don't know how to describe it but I like the interface. It's been free to try for some time.

So MS wants to follow the Adobe model?

That is my understanding of where they want to go - and to move storage from your computer to their servers - something that Office 13 seems to want to do.

Hard to say if it's really the "Adobe" model. Microsoft has been offering Office 365 for some time now as a subscription based model. What I've heard is that Microsoft is going to eventually move to a subscription based model for the OS. It's going to drop the Windows 10 at some point and just be Windows of some sort.

I've got to say that I've been a big fan of Office 365. At only $70/year (Military Appreciation Edition), I can install Office products on 5 computers and all 5 accounts get 1 TB of Cloud storage on OneDrive. Compare that to an upgrade to the latest Office Suite every 3 years and it comes out cheaper for me. I imagine the Windows OS will be cheaper.

One might argue that it's just better to "stay put" but, as noted, you'll eventually be on an OS that is not patched.
 
One other thing is that I think there may be a reason for Microsoft to make its OS very cheap and that is to attract people to their OS as their trying to attract apps to their platform. Apple makes a ton of money on its IOS devices by getting 30% of every app sold in its store. I think Microsoft may be looking toward a future where revenue is less from the OS and more from the Apps it sells to run on the OS.
 
I hope it's as fast as Windows 8, or maybe faster. Windows 7 is too slow and buggy.
 
I hope it's as fast as Windows 8, or maybe faster. Windows 7 is too slow and buggy.

Interesting. I've found Win 7 to be real fast and Windows 8 to be OK fast.

But the Windows 7 is on a SSD machine, and everything seems fast.
 
I haven't found W7 to be slow and buggy, even on a dual core processor. Sure you aren't running Vista?

I agree. I have about 7 computers running Windows 7 and I can't remember one crashing. I thought Windows 8 was just plain weird. Unlike theology, I guess - "to-each-his-own" is applicable when it comes to operating system :)
 
Fellow Windows Users of the PB,

What are you thoughts on the Windows 10 upgrade? I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium on a 2010 Gateway gaming machine handed down to me by my son, and I've downloaded the Get Windows 10 app which says I'm good to go. Any thoughts as to why it would be good or bad to upgrade?

Thanks,

P.S. I don't care to hear about the superiority of other operating systems or computer brands. I'm as staunch in my Windows use as I am in my Presbyterianism. :)

I actually prefer Windows 7 to 8. I have an all in one computer where the internals are built into a touch screen monitor, forcing me to use 8 as packaged. I do not like touchscreens and regret purchasing it. Touchscreens are slower and take more effort than a flick of a wrist.

Windows 10 can't be worse than Windows 8 - I'm hoping. The most annoying problem with Windows 8 is the inability to keep the computer awake without software while streaming media. I am forced to use Caffine, a program that mimics keyboard clicks every minute for a predetermined time to keep the computer from falling asleep while FTP or media streaming in non IE browsers.

Lots of things I hope Windows 10 addresses. Otherwise I'll be looking toward another home solution.

God bless,
William
 
I haven't found W7 to be slow and buggy, even on a dual core processor. Sure you aren't running Vista?
I am completely sure I am not running Vista; well, as a matter of fact I don't think that Vista is much slower than Windows 7, they are basically the same operating system. Microsoft simply took Vista SP2 and fixed a couple of bugs here and there and made the graphical interface boot faster (before the computer is ready) to give the illusion of a faster boot time and gave it a new look and named it Windows 7 but it is basically the same.

I used to believe that Windows 7 was faster than 8 until one day that I was putting a computer together (I build and fix computers in my spare time) and I installed Windows 8 on it, I was testing it and installing drivers and doing this and that until I noticed that I did not have a Windows 8 License; so, I decided to format the drive and install W7 on it. It was then that I realized how much slower and buggier it was. I could not believe it, I was so convinced that Windows 7 was better. That experience is confirmed time after time when I put a computer together or resurrect an old one, windows 8 is always faster.

My wife has 4 computers; I interact with two of them all the time because she has them in the house and every time she has a problem she calls me; one is running Windows 7 and the other one runs Windows 8; the funny thing is that the Windows 7 computer is newer, has more RAM (4GB vs 2GB), has better RAM (DDR3 vs DDR2) but it's slower and buggier than the Windows 8 computer. The Windows 7 computer is a laptop and laptops are slower than desktops but still... the lappy hs a lot more power, it should run a little better. Test it by yourself and you will see.
 
I use Windows 8.1 at home, and Windows 7 at work. 8 is much faster, but does have that weird schizophrenic UI to contend with. I really like what I'm seeing with 10.
 
I think I will re-investigate Windows 10 next summer, whilst it is still free. I prefer to wait a little bit before upgrading so there will be plenty of online information as to how to get rid of any annoying features. :lol:
 
All the techy reviews are saying moving to Win 10 is a "No Brainer".

I have a laptop running 8.1 with a touch screen.
I think the touchscreen concept works great on laptops.
I use Logos and can just reach out and touch the hyperlinks instead of mousing over.
Makes a huge difference, also really looking forward to 10 as 8.1 seems counter intuitive.
 
I use Windows 8.1 at home, and Windows 7 at work. 8 is much faster, but does have that weird schizophrenic UI to contend with. I really like what I'm seeing with 10.
The Metro interface is optional, you don't have to see/use it ever, there are many alternatives out there to change Windows 8's interface to resemble and behave like Windows 7. one of the most popular ones (and free) is Classic Shell. Every time I install Windows 8 on a computer the first thing I do after installation is install Classic Shell.

Go to Classic Shell's website
 
Just upgraded last night. Was a nightmare, the auto upgrade would not work on my main computer. So I downloaded a package from Microsoft that creates a usb upgrade or iso for a dvd. That package would not also work on the problem computer.

I ended up using my laptop to create a usb stick, then went back to the problem child and upgraded without a problem.

Just finished setting up email etc.... I love this upgrade process once it was underway. None of my files were lost, all my pictures and albums are intact.

The new desktop is wonderful. Thank goodness they got rid of that right side bar in Windows 8 that would pop out when least expected.

God bless,
William
 
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One might argue that it's just better to "stay put" but, as noted, you'll eventually be on an OS that is not patched.

What happens if we stay put on something that is "not patchable" anymore?
Really, the only thing that changes for me is an internet connection depending on where I am.
But' I'd be pretty happy with the tools I own rather than having to pay yearly for everything I have on the computer.
 
I upgraded last night as well. Didn't have many issues on my Windows 7 machine, will be trying my Windows 8.1 machine (Surface Pro 3) tonight. Was pretty smooth, except I had to download nVidia drivers separately from my vendor (Lenovo) for my laptop. After that, everything was very smooth. It is a great upgrade to Windows 7.

Love the virtual desktops, new task switcher, new built-in apps, Cortana, the new look (the UI fades to the background, and is very transparent to what you are working on, without chrome and bits that scream for attention - something I really didn't care for in Windows 7 - but especially Vista, which was blinding).

The multimonitor multiple DPI scaling/support is better than it was in 7, but still not what it should be in my opinion.

Edge is pretty good, but I'm back to using Chrome for now because some sites render a little off with Edge.

Battery life is about the same, which was a major concern of mine.

So far, I'm pretty happy. We'll see how it goes over the next few weeks.
 
According to an article in the Orange County Register, Microsoft is hoping that Windows 10 will be installed about 1 billion times over the next 3 years. Eventually, you'll have to have it because preceding Windows won't be supported anymore.

I'll have to have my daughter come over and do it for me for my laptop because I just know I'll get to a step somewhere in the process that I won't know how to do or won't know what they're talking about, seeing that programmers tend to write programs to please themselves (remember the VCR?).
 
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