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What is the homosexual issue in the PCA?
Why wouldn't this minister join the OPC or ARP like his other examples of ministers leaving in his article?
I've been encouraged by seeing how the ARP come back from the brink. The RPCNA was in a similar position when Vos helped rescue her.
Which Vos? I am interested in this!
grassroots presbyterians (it was elders only)
It was a Facebook group, and membership was restricted to TEs and REs in the PCA.
I see. "Grassroots" is a strange descriptor for a group that is limited to those who rule in the church.It was a Facebook group, and membership was restricted to TEs and REs in the PCA.
I think the use of the term in the PCA is the idea of promoting bottom up reform rather than top down (the top, the GA, being the problem with under representation of REs, etc.).I see. "Grassroots" is a strange descriptor for a group that is limited to those who rule in the church.
I see--the tyranny of democracy. I wonder if the new denomination will have delegated assemblies.I think the use of the term in the PCA is the idea of promoting bottom up reform rather than top down (the top, the GA, being the problem with under representation of REs, etc.).
I don't know; from reports of what went on in the grassroots group and the subsequent split between those who were ready to leave the PCA and those who thought the group was formed to organize how to fight for reform (which was how the group was advertised), I would definitely want to see how things shook out over a period of time with any new denomination that may form, like over some years. Frying pan, fire, etc.I see--the tyranny of democracy. I wonder if the new denomination will have delegated assemblies.
I don't agree with the call to leave the PCA at this point but those who are looking to form a new Body are trying to get back to some of the original design in the PCA that has subsequently gotten off the rails. Committees of the PCA have taken a large amount of power that was supposed to be checked by Committees of Commissioners (CoC) at each GA. Those have increasingly become rubber stamps of the committees. For instance, the Women's Study Committee was not something that came up from the Presbyteries but was pushed from the Admi Committee. Because it came from that committee it could only be voted up or down at GA and not amended. The Admin CoC tried unsuccessfully to argue that the study should not go forward but the main motion carried.I see--the tyranny of democracy. I wonder if the new denomination will have delegated assemblies.
It's truly sad how things have developed. I'm of course incompetent to comment--perhaps I shouldn't have said anything. I do think a delegated assembly can be a good check to an assembly going imperial, though.I don't agree with the call to leave the PCA at this point but those who are looking to form a new Body are trying to get back to some of the original design in the PCA that has subsequently gotten off the rails. Committees of the PCA have taken a large amount of power that was supposed to be checked by Committees of Commissioners (CoC) at each GA. Those have increasingly become rubber stamps of the committees. For instance, the Women's Study Committee was not something that came up from the Presbyteries but was pushed from the Admi Committee. Because it came from that committee it could only be voted up or down at GA and not amended. The Admin CoC tried unsuccessfully to argue that the study should not go forward but the main motion carried.
This was the genesis for a BCO amendment via Overture that I initially authored and passed through our Presbytery that made sure that any subsequent Study Committees had to arise in the PCA by way of Overture.
Ed, these links comprise about the extent of what I know.could someone fill me in on the Vanguard Presbytery issue?
I didn't mind the question. I responded merely to explain why many are concerned about the PCA and believe the problem might be solved by the formation of a "truly Southern Presbyterian model".It's truly sad how things have developed. I'm of course incompetent to comment--perhaps I shouldn't have said anything. I do think a delegated assembly can be a good check to an assembly going imperial, though.