Is Douglas Wilson dangerous?

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It is astonishing to me that people here have the attitude that we are allowed to not fight the culture war. Fighting the culture was is not a character flaw but actually a demonstration of courage. I take very little stock in the rebukes of someone criticizing the methods of the fight who is not in the fight themselves.
 
I would like to say I am joking. It takes a tremendous amount of spiritual blindness to not see the man for what he is.
I am not saying it cannot be criticized, but the book is about a man who destroyed someone else's sex robot and was then put on trial for murder (speaking to the direction of insanity that society is headed). It still may not be an appropriate topic, but we should not straw man either.
 
I am not saying it cannot be criticized, but the book is about a man who destroyed someone else's sex robot and was then put on trial for murder (speaking to the direction of insanity that society is headed). It still may not be an appropriate topic, but we should not straw man either.

Once again. The man claims to be a minister of God. If you have read excerpts of the language he uses - you should be reminded of the Scripture and find it utterly incompatible with the conduct of a Christian man. "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." (Eph. 4:29)
 
It is astonishing to me that people here have the attitude that we are allowed to not fight the culture war. Fighting the culture was is not a character flaw but actually a demonstration of courage. I take very little stock in the rebukes of someone criticizing the methods of the fight who is not in the fight themselves.

That is a step too far. No one says you are not allowed to fight the 'culture war'. Fight it with the means the Lord has given us. Do not run to Assyria or Egypt.

As for rebukes, I simply highlighted the plain teaching of the Word - "Mark and avoid".
 
Once again. The man claims to be a minister of God. If you have read excerpts of the language he uses - you should be reminded of the Scripture and find it utterly incompatible with the conduct of a Christian man. "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." (Eph. 4:29)
I have read what Doug Wilson says and I find nothing wrong with his speech. Most of it is cited maliciously with the direct intent of misrepresenting what he says, and his biggest critics are not our friends.
 
When Aimee Byrd doxxed Genevan Commons, she included a screenshot of Paul Barth saying, "Horse face is mean. She’s a whore. That’s what she is." Some people thought that he was speaking of Aimee. Others realized (correctly) he was speaking of Stormy Daniels and assumed that he was insulting her and making fun of her face. Paul got his reputation raked through the coals by feminists, many of whom are the same people leading the charge against Doug Wilson.

The actual truth of the matter is that the original context was that Donald Trump called his false accuser Stormy Daniels "horse face." Paul was commenting, "horse face is mean" (stating that Trump was wrong to call her horse-face). But then reiterating that it's not wrong to call her a whore, because she literally does have sex for money.

But now anyone who has an agenda against Paul has ammo they can use against him, since if you were not familiar with the situation is reflects poorly on him.

This is what happens to everyone who engages in the culture wars. It also has happened to Doug Wilson. I am not a supporter of the Federal Vision affiliations but even that is complicated. I just think that the rebukes of Doug Wilson are either mainly from ignorance or else done by hostile interpreters.
 
It is astonishing to me that people here have the attitude that we are allowed to not fight the culture war. Fighting the culture was is not a character flaw but actually a demonstration of courage. I take very little stock in the rebukes of someone criticizing the methods of the fight who is not in the fight themselves.
You shouldnt be so shocked.... "Machen himself believed that the church should be intolerant. But the kind of intolerance he advocated was theological, not political. He believed that the church’s primary task was to proclaim the Gospel, and that this task required careful attention to theology. In fact, the Presbyterian Church’s witness was circumscribed by the Westminster Confession. A Presbyterian minister’s ordination vows prohibited him from preaching anything contrary to the confession. But when it came to public matters, Machen recommended the course of civil liberty." https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/j-gresham-machen-the-politically-incorrect-fundamentalist/
 
One more question what is patriarchism? I hear this alot in connection with him?

Patriarchy/patriarchalism?

Basically, rather extreme views of male headship and strict sex roles.
Respectfully, I don't believe this is an accurate assessment of patriarchy and the "ism" that is associated with it. Yes, it bristles the modern mind, but it can and very often is practiced by men and women with reverence and love for the Lord. Complementarianism is said to be the via media between egalitarianism and patriarchalism, yet it seems to be failing. Those who count themselves as hard complementarians are probably more closely aligned with a patriarchal view. Just because something has been abused, doesn't mean it is actually rotten in its true form and core.

I can't speak to DW regarding it, and maybe someone else can, for I tend to stay away from him and the FV views as much as possible.
 
When Aimee Byrd doxxed Genevan Commons, she included a screenshot of Paul Barth saying, "Horse face is mean. She’s a whore. That’s what she is." Some people thought that he was speaking of Aimee. Others realized (correctly) he was speaking of Stormy Daniels and assumed that he was insulting her and making fun of her face. Paul got his reputation raked through the coals by feminists, many of whom are the same people leading the charge against Doug Wilson.

The actual truth of the matter is that the original context was that Donald Trump called his false accuser Stormy Daniels "horse face." Paul was commenting, "horse face is mean" (stating that Trump was wrong to call her horse-face). But then reiterating that it's not wrong to call her a whore, because she literally does have sex for money.

But now anyone who has an agenda against Paul has ammo they can use against him, since if you were not familiar with the situation is reflects poorly on him.

This is what happens to everyone who engages in the culture wars. It also has happened to Doug Wilson. I am not a supporter of the Federal Vision affiliations but even that is complicated. I just think that the rebukes of Doug Wilson are either mainly from ignorance or else done by hostile interpreters.
Well here you are interacting with people who oppose Aimee Byrd and who oppose Doug Wilson. Now what will you do? Seriously, no one is saying not to address the culture. What we are saying and at least what I am saying that since 2005 I have studied Doug Wilson, and over that time he has only proven himself to be a false teacher, a deceiver, a divider, one who speaks out of both sides of his mouth, someone who poses as a minister but is not one, someone who engages culture and that many YRR types love but not with the means that God has given us but those things that seem 'cool' 'awesome' and attract attention. Those who continually defend him, espouse him, etc. are breaking God's commandment. The Lord says, "Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."
 
You shouldnt be so shocked.... "Machen himself believed that the church should be intolerant. But the kind of intolerance he advocated was theological, not political. He believed that the church’s primary task was to proclaim the Gospel, and that this task required careful attention to theology. In fact, the Presbyterian Church’s witness was circumscribed by the Westminster Confession. A Presbyterian minister’s ordination vows prohibited him from preaching anything contrary to the confession. But when it came to public matters, Machen recommended the course of civil liberty." https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/j-gresham-machen-the-politically-incorrect-fundamentalist/
We are not dealing with a civil liberty scenario. We are dealing with a total global takeover of a homogenized antichrist culture. They're taking kids and cutting off their genitals and removing custody from parents who stop them. They are now buying up all the world's farmland and homes.

The church doesn't lack dudes who can read and apply covenant theology. It lacks men who understand the times and have the courage to fight.
 
well for one you have this:

He’s been known to lie and be deceptive. As well when you critique his position he often just attacks you as a person instead of interacting with the critique. But his interactions now with Doug Wilson only show that his theology is flawed. As you can see with the others who have stated what they have about Doug Wilson and his false theology.
White makes me sad.

I listened to the DL for many years (since 2006, maybe?), and learned a great deal from him. He's sharp, gifted, and entertaining. His stuff on Mormonism, Islam, and cults has been hugely helpful to me.

Over the past few years, though, I've sensed a trajectory taking him somewhere I didn't want to go, and eventually stopped listening.
 
We are not dealing with a civil liberty scenario. We are dealing with a total global takeover of a homogenized antichrist culture. They're taking kids and cutting off their genitals and removing custody from parents who stop them. They are now buying up all the world's farmland and homes.

The church doesn't lack dudes who can read and apply covenant theology. It lacks men who understand the times and have the courage to fight.
And you dont see how the essentials can be compromised?
 
Well here you are interacting with people who oppose Aimee Byrd and who oppose Doug Wilson. Now what will you do? Seriously, no one is saying not to address the culture. What we are saying and at least what I am saying that since 2005 I have studied Doug Wilson, and over that time he has only proven himself to be a false teacher, a deceiver, a divider, one who speaks out of both sides of his mouth, someone who poses as a minister but is not one, someone who engages culture and that many YRR types love but not with the means that God has given us but those things that seem 'cool' 'awesome' and attract attention. Those who continually defend him, espouse him, etc. are breaking God's commandment. The Lord says, "Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."
This reminds me when you started kicking people out of the covenanters facebook group who so much as mentioned Doug Wilson, and when confronted about it were told "do your own research."
 
This reminds me when you started kicking people out of the covenanters facebook group who so much as mentioned Doug Wilson
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Stop the personal attacks. Stop importing controversies from other forums.

And stop imputing broadbrush motives to everyone who has some sense of disagreement with your view.
 
Well here you are interacting with people who oppose Aimee Byrd and who oppose Doug Wilson. Now what will you do? Seriously, no one is saying not to address the culture. What we are saying and at least what I am saying that since 2005 I have studied Doug Wilson, and over that time he has only proven himself to be a false teacher, a deceiver, a divider, one who speaks out of both sides of his mouth, someone who poses as a minister but is not one, someone who engages culture and that many YRR types love but not with the means that God has given us but those things that seem 'cool' 'awesome' and attract attention. Those who continually defend him, espouse him, etc. are breaking God's commandment. The Lord says, "Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."
Exactly. False equivalency. I can cringe at GC and DW and still consider AB wholly disqualified as a biblical instructor/expositor. There's no team or side.

We see what's coming and want to remain focused and grounded. Not distracted.
 
Exactly. False equivalency. I can cringe at GC and DW and still consider AB wholly disqualified as a biblical instructor/expositor. There's no team or side.

We see what's coming and want to remain focused and grounded. Not distracted.
Exactly what has been said about the PCA for 10 years and we have been told not to worry and to stay focused.

It's all 11th commandment. "Thou shalt always be nice." Zero fight. Zero urgency.
 
White makes me sad.

I listened to the DL for many years (since 2006, maybe?), and learned a great deal from him. He's sharp, gifted, and entertaining. His stuff on Mormonism, Islam, and cults has been hugely helpful to me.

Over the past few years, though, I've sensed a trajectory taking him somewhere I didn't want to go, and eventually stopped listening.
Still seems good to me. He clarified the comments on this video as well, on the next one he put up.
 
Exactly what has been said about the PCA for 10 years and we have been told not to worry and to stay focused.

It's all 11th commandment. "Thou shalt always be nice." Zero fight. Zero urgency.
I think others could speak about that trajectory and the various variables at play. Im sure you are simplifying things to make your case, not purposely .....
 
Still seems good to me. He clarified the comments on this video as well, on the next one he put up.
He got too fixated on the culture wars, among other things.

Which, to my mind, is what brought him into co-belligerency with DW. (See? I brought it back to topic. :D )
 
He got too fixated on the culture wars, among other things.

Which, to my mind, is what brought him into co-belligerency with DW. (See? I brought it back to topic. :D )
Final comment, because I realize mine are more about White, but I think one of the reasons all this CRT nonsense is cropping up is because not enough churches are addressing the culture war. The worldly culture is winning and many churches are turning woke. To me, he seems to be doing both. Talking about the culture and still doing good apologetics.
 
Final comment, because I realize mine are more about White, but I think one of the reasons all this CRT nonsense is cropping up is because not enough churches are addressing the culture war. The worldly culture is winning and many churches are turning woke. To me, he seems to be doing both. Talking about the culture and still doing good apologetics.
Exactly right. If anyone is mad that a guy who is Federal Vision adjacent is becoming popular addressing the culture wars, let that be a rebuke on the rest of the reformed world for not doing it.
 
Final comment, because I realize mine are more about White, but I think one of the reasons all this CRT nonsense is cropping up is because not enough churches are addressing the culture war. The worldly culture is winning and many churches are turning woke. To me, he seems to be doing both. Talking about the culture and still doing good apologetics.
I'm very much involved in the culture war.

Carl Trueman is good on the culture war. John McWhorter is good on the culture war. Freddie DeBoer and Scott Alexander are good on the culture war (though from the other side).

James White and Doug Wilson are not.
 
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