BobVigneault
Bawberator
That's all. I'll refrain from further debate now.
It's ok Brad, I rearranged the threads so we can debate now. Don't hold back. Just keep the punches above the belt.
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That's all. I'll refrain from further debate now.
It's ok Brad, I rearranged the threads so we can debate now. Don't hold back. Just keep the punches above the belt.
Let's debate rock music here.
The gloves are off!!!
Black gosepel music and Southern blue grass are the ancestors to rock, blame it on the South I guess, every other problem in this country usually is.
I like rock my myself, I roll my eyes at the idolatry of a hall of fame and how serious some folk take each other but I like a toe tapping good time.
That's all. I'll refrain from further debate now.
It's ok Brad, I rearranged the threads so we can debate now. Don't hold back. Just keep the punches above the belt.
I was exaggerating, the northeast likes to behave as if religious zealots, slavery, and hickness are all southern contributions to American society which isn't true of course but the very attitude of Yankee superiority that helped fuel the Civil War remains in place to this day.Everything in this country? Come now brother.
Can it be made to glorify God by giving it religious lyrics? That is another question altogether.
No offense meant to anyone here. Just my
Does not even the heathen who fills his plate with wrath by manifesting his blasphemy with lecherous song in the end glorify God?Must it have religious lyrics in order to glorify God?
Does not even the heathen who fills his plate with wrath by manifesting his blasphemy with lecherous song in the end glorify God?
Truly, you speak of genuine liberty.I was just trying to say that we don't need to make everything religious in order to feel justified in partaking of it as Christians.
Rock music in my studies as led me to believe that Rock music is sensual erotic sound p0rnography and mimmicks that body movements of sexual encounter that should be left to the bedroom of a husband and wife.
Some researchers and health professionals have suggested that the electronic distortion used by many rock bands might be a factor, in addition to the common use of anapestic rhythms (persistently syncopated, with two short beats, a long beat, then a pause).
Now I'm a virgin, so perhaps I'm in need of correction, but a rhythm of "two short beats, a long beat, then a pause" seems like a strange way to have sex.
Well, with Bob's permission... Honestly, I see no reason why this has to get heated. I always attempt to be civil in such discussions anyway.
As for the question of origins, I think you could use an analogy to pretty much all the other arts, which is one reason I think that historically Christan's have avoided the arts. Let's take literature for example.
The origins of the genre of fiction can be traced back to Greece. Obviously, Homer was a pagan, and he was writing about pagan things. Can fiction than be used to portray a faulty worldview? Yes it can. Is all fiction evil? I know some Christians who will say so, but that is sort of an extreme position. I'm not prepared to throw out the good works of fiction by both Christians and non-Christians.
I know that theater has been debated here before as well. It has the same pagan origins in classical Greece. The further you trace this line of reasoning, the more Western Culture becomes evil and unusable for the Christian. And let's not get into non-western culture, which is obviously steeped in paganism and satanic ritual.
One other note, I hate dancing. But I am one heck of an air drummer, and I do have a hard time not drumming along to my favorite songs. *Now listening to Neil Peart's fabulous drum solo from Rush's R30 concert*
Now I'm a virgin, so perhaps I'm in need of correction, but a rhythm of "two short beats, a long beat, then a pause" seems like a strange way to have sex.
We will let brother. Bob explain it to you. He is older then the rest of us...
"Now I'm a virgin, so perhaps I'm in need of correction, but a rhythm of "two short beats, a long beat, then a pause" seems like a strange way to have sex."
Ha! That's great!
But this from thunaer: "It can not be denied.... The sound is p0rnography in and of itself....." I can and do deny this. I find some of your arguments interesting and your concern for holiness compelling, but unchecked platitudes like this cannot help the discussion.
As far as resources, let me argue again that we don't need "resources" - we have all we need (2 Pet. 1:3). We have the Spirit of God and the the Scriptures, imparting wisdom to us. Let each man decide what to listen to - surely there are things we can all reject (Marilyn Manson perhaps?), but with the rest, let us each decide according to wisdom, Christian liberty and an honest evaluation of our heart's condition. Please.
This isn't a call to end the debate, but to keep the debate in its place. Let's not pretend God's Word lays down a clear, discernable law about music styles. Like it or not, we have to exercise wisdom here.
How about Devil's Food Cake? Should we partake of it? By it's title alone it has obviously been compromised spiritually.
Or hockey because of the New Jersey Devils.I don't refuse to watch Duke play only because I don't care much for sports!
I was also wondering whether "neutral" and "evil" are the only choices (see thread topic). The heavens and the earth are not religious entities, but I would hardly consider them neutral. The heavens are telling of the glory of God and the firmament displays His handiwork. Does something have to scream "Jesus" at you in order to be "good"? If music, as someone mentioned earlier, falls into the category of something that can be considered part of creation, then that allows us to call (at least some) secular music good, doesn't it?
Now I'm a virgin, so perhaps I'm in need of correction, but a rhythm of "two short beats, a long beat, then a pause" seems like a strange way to have sex.
Music carries a message. For example, in my Bible classes we listen to secular music occasionally to get a worldly perspective on issues in the music industry.
I am not an expert on Francis Schaffer, but didn't he say something to the effect of philosophy and theology affecting music? In some ways, I listen to secular music to get the worlds perspective on things. The lyrics are not good, but many times the way in which they express their opinions is creative and well thought out.
Becoming a huge supporter of the rock industry is not something that is good, but listening to it is fine in my opinion. I know everyone won't agree with this, but is it not similar in someone to reading a book written by a non-believer? You need to stay clear of the extremely slezzy stuff, but there is nothing wrong with understanding the current culture...
I could be off-base here, but just my thoughts
sound is p0rnography
Let's not pretend God's Word lays down a clear, discernable law about music styles. Like it or not, we have to exercise wisdom here.
Good point!
The problem is "exercising wisdom" is hard work. A list of do's & don'ts is much easier to follow. Not that anyone here has advocated that (yet) but in our flesh we desire that kind of black/white solution.