Adrian Warnock and homosexualitry

[Stephen L Smith]

I have previously assumed that Adrian Warnock was a UK based Calvinistic but Charismatic blogger. However it appears he has captivated to the Homosexual agenda Reviewing a Patheos Article from the UK - Alpha and Omega Ministries

Does anyone know Adrian Warnock ?

 

[earl40]

This is an area that has been neglected by the church in that many pastors, including Adrian, confuse the person who practices homosexuality from the person who stuggles with the internal temptation of practicing such. I believe this arises because of the misconception of what grevious sin is and how a person who practices such is not a person "who will enter the kingdom." Once a "church" embraces this discipline goes out the window and with it a true loss of identity of being a true church.

 

[SeanAnderson]

I think he makes some valid points in the article, about the way homosexuals can be treated differently compared to other sexual sinners.

Yet nobody thinks Christians hate those who cohabit, those who divorce, and those who remarry. This is because to the shame of every Christian, the Church has treated gay people differently to straight people.

Perhaps Christians deal with other sexual sins too lightly? They have become so normative in our permissive society that it's easy to turn a blind eye.

However, when someone starts talking about 'gay Christians', I don't get it. I don't see anyone identifying as a 'fornicator-Christian' or a 'thief-Christian' if those were the sins they previously committed (and which may even be a continual struggle). When we become Christians, we are identified by Christ, not our sins. I wish people would stop using the term 'gay Christian', and thereby cease to embed others in their sin and cease to reinforce the faulty notion that the homosexual lifestyle is an intrinsic part of the person. Let us instead preach true freedom in Christ.

 

[Wayne]

Possible counterpoint to "treating too lightly" contained in this article:

The Myth of the 'Gay Holocaust:' Lessons from the Nazi Experiment » BarbWire.com

 

[God'sElectSaint]

I think he makes some valid points in the article, about the way homosexuals can be treated differently compared to other sexual sinners.

Yet nobody thinks Christians hate those who cohabit, those who divorce, and those who remarry. This is because to the shame of every Christian, the Church has treated gay people differently to straight people.

Perhaps Christians deal with other sexual sins too lightly? They have become so normative in our permissive society that it's easy to turn a blind eye.

However, when someone starts talking about 'gay Christians', I don't get it. I don't see anyone identifying as a 'fornicator-Christian' or a 'thief-Christian' if those were the sins they previously committed (and which may even be a continual struggle). When we become Christians, we are identified by Christ, not our sins. I wish people would stop using the term 'gay Christian', and thereby cease to embed others in their sin and cease to reinforce the faulty notion that the homosexual lifestyle is an intrinsic part of the person. Let us instead preach true freedom in Christ.

This is true. I have been to many drug rehabs in my past and I have meant quite a few gay men and women and most of them are completely consumed by their sexuality. It's their whole identity. I remember a lot of them in small groups and such talking about the guilt they had and shame and how they wish they were straight. The counselor would usually nullify this work of the conscience by saying " You just got to get comfortable with you" or "don't feel guilty that's not good" In retrospect they are doing a lot more damage then good. Undermining the work of an already confused conscience. Their conscience(God-given conscience that is) was letting them know that what they were doing was wrong and the therapist/society is telling them that it's okay. I have sympathy for homosexuals they really get hammered with a lot of confusion when society tries to undermine the evil restraining force of their conscience. I think all of this is good to keep in mind when ministering to homosexual men and women.

 

[Physeter]

It is tragic that our society has become a society of enablers. There are those that want to leave this sin behind and yet this sin gets special treatment and labeling as Sean Anderson pointed out. These people can't get the help they want. Instead they are told to accept their defective behavior. This is not done to alcoholics or drug addicts and yet homosexuality is just as self destructive.

 

[MW]

yet homosexuality is just as self destructive.

Homosexuality is more self-destructive because it destroys "nature" at its deepest level of personhood. It is only self-destructive in this way because of a judicial act of the Almighty. God has so judged it worthy of self-destruction because it is more heinous in its rejection of His authority, righteousness, and goodness. Recovery requires the individual to recognise the heinous nature of this sin.

 

[Physeter]

yet homosexuality is just as self destructive.

Homosexuality is more self-destructive because it destroys "nature" at its deepest level of personhood. It is only self-destructive in this way because of a judicial act of the Almighty. God has so judged it worthy of self-destruction because it is more heinous in its rejection of His authority, righteousness, and goodness. Recovery requires the individual to recognise the heinous nature of this sin.

I just got through reading the link provided by Wayne which so poignantly illustrates your point. Not only does it destroy the individual, it wrecks whole cultures unlike any other sin. Those who embrace this sin are the opposite of a regenerate believer. It is no wonder they are so hostile to Biblical Christianity.

 

[MW]

It is no wonder they are so hostile to Biblical Christianity.

Yes; biblical Christianity emphasises restoration of personhood in the image of God.

 

[Verkehrsteilnehmer]

Possible counterpoint to "treating too lightly" contained in this article:

The Myth of the 'Gay Holocaust:' Lessons from the Nazi Experiment » BarbWire.com

This looks like historical revisionism. An interesting story, but no back-up. Now if a historian wrote this with documentation that would be another matter. So now the National Socialist mass-murderer dictator of Germany was a sodomite. It reminds me of another scoundrel of the WWII era, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who was re-cast by Metaxis as a conservative because of his "opposition" to abortion in the 1930s. Another case of people in the 21st century trying to re-write the 20th. Maybe it makes a good story but it is not history.
Dave
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[Wayne]

Dave:

In Walter Reich's NYT review of a book by Lothar Machtan, The Hidden Hitler--Machtan's being presumably the closest thing to a scholarly treatment of the subject, Reich concludes:

Though Machtan doesn't succeed in proving that Hitler was an active homosexual, he does demonstrate that his life, in both the personal and the political spheres, was suffused with homosexual themes and personalities. In some odd way, this may actually serve to humanize Hitler. But it doesn't serve to explain him.

("Walter Reich holds the Yitzhak Rabin Chair at George Washington University, is a lecturer in psychiatry at Yale and is a former director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.")

Beyond that, I confess I don't care to know more, regardless of any conclusion.