Another in the reformed ranks has fallen!! :-(

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Sovereign Grace

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I saw on Twitter/X that Kris Williams...AKA KDub, has left his wife for another woman who he met online. His wife provided evidence of his discourse chat with the woman, and he repented and showed evidence he had blocked her number. However, later she contacted him or vice versa, and things resumed, and now he has left his family and, If I recall correctly, he has filed for divorce. Please pray for him and his broken family, and the woman he is involved with. :-(
 
Polanus1561 said:
Did you follow his online videos?
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Rarely. I followed him on Twitter/X. I cannot remember if I followed him on FB or not. He seemed pretty solid, but seemed a little bit of a leaky wokish type, too. But I don't know enough about him to know if he is woke or not. I remember him talking with "Goofball" Steven Anderson and SA telling him to leave him alone as he was walking back towards Kris while saying it.
 
Following such news stories can have an instructive purpose in two ways: first, as personal warning. I know that when I read some of these scandal stories, it sobers me when I think about the sins I've committed in my life. Second, it can show the church at its worst and force us to think through how we defend and spread the gospel in a world where there's no room for idealized fairy-tale pictures of what the church looks like in the now-but-not-yet.

But past a certain point, dwelling on such stories can be unprofitable, and it's good to save some of our focus for the good things God is doing in the global church, as well as more immediately what's going on around us. The technology algorithms of our day won't naturally steer us in that direction, which is why we need to be frequent in utilizing the content-filtering algorithms of the Holy Spirit.
 
I don't know who is this man. Nor would I have ever heard of him, but for this thread and the internet in general. Celebrity has done this.

Some percentage of men will ever fall. Some percentage of leaders or prominent men will fall. Many who fall would have done under all circumstances. Many who fall wouldn't have, but for their pride inflamed by their celebrity.

Eliminate the celebrity factor, and who would know of this man's infidelity? Seeking celebrity, many who are prone to fall pave their own way to ruin. "He must become greater, I must become less."
 
“Hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.”
— 1 Corinthians 5:5 (NIV 1984)

Church discipline, when done according to Matthew 18:15–17, is meant to be a healthy and redemptive process—one that leads to repentance, restoration, and healing. It’s never about shame or punishment, but about helping someone return to Christ.

My heart truly aches for this man’s wife and any children he may have. Situations like this are heartbreaking. But when someone refuses to listen even after being lovingly confronted, Paul’s sobering words in 1 Corinthians 5 become a last resort. It’s a serious step, but even then, the goal is still salvation and restoration.

I’m praying that Mr. Williams comes to genuine repentance and that his marriage, if possible, is healed by God’s grace.

It’s also a reminder to all of us of what Paul says in 2 Corinthians 13:5:

“Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?”

Let’s stay humble and keep our hearts soft before God, always ready to repent, always clinging to Christ.
 
Sovereign Grace said:
Rarely. I followed him on Twitter/X. I cannot remember if I followed him on FB or not. He seemed pretty solid, but seemed a little bit of a leaky wokish type, too. But I don't know enough about him to know if he is woke or not. I remember him talking with "Goofball" Steven Anderson and SA telling him to leave him alone as he was walking back towards Kris while saying it.
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He was pretty “anti-woke”.
 
As other(s) have said, this is a solemn reminder to the rest of us to our sins we struggle with, and that **we need to put to death the sinful impulses and behaviors that come from our human nature.

**I copied that portion from an AI overview on google, as that was expressed better than I could put it.
 
I wrote the following in response to various online apologetics, but it applies to celebrity theologians (and those that follow them). It has an apologetic (or anti-apologetic ministry) bent, but you can adjust it accordingly.

Very few--and there are a few--have spent decades reading, and sometimes suffering, over primary historical and philosophical sources. 99/100 internet apologists--Prot, Orthobro, Trad, doesn't matter--give cliche answers to surface questions. They simply *cannot* think. Very few could even summarize Mortimer Adler's arguments in How to Read a Book. At best--and only at best--they might copy and paste a response from James White or Catholic Answers. A few orthobros might try to copy Perry Robinson, but his arguments are too sophisticated for Twitter soundbites. Conclusion: spend 10 years reading the sources first. You won't be shaken by idiots (debate me, brother!).
 
RamistThomist said:
I wrote the following in response to various online apologetics, but it applies to celebrity theologians (and those that follow them). It has an apologetic (or anti-apologetic ministry) bent, but you can adjust it accordingly.

Very few--and there are a few--have spent decades reading, and sometimes suffering, over primary historical and philosophical sources. 99/100 internet apologists--Prot, Orthobro, Trad, doesn't matter--give cliche answers to surface questions. They simply *cannot* think. Very few could even summarize Mortimer Adler's arguments in How to Read a Book. At best--and only at best--they might copy and paste a response from James White or Catholic Answers. A few orthobros might try to copy Perry Robinson, but his arguments are too sophisticated for Twitter soundbites. Conclusion: spend 10 years reading the sources first. You won't be shaken by idiots (debate me, brother!).
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I actually think a related but different issue is relevant in this instance. My father is fond of saying beware lest "Your talents take you where your character can't keep you."

The problem in Kris's case wasn't so much a failure in intellect or reading, but a failure of the heart. It was a failure of character.

The fact is, celebrity theologians don't need to read more stuff. They just need to engage with God, personally, more. They aren't scholars. They aren't in the academy. The world needs guys like in the YouTube-theologian slot to bridge the gap between the academy and the interested plumber. It seems incredibly naive for me that you suggest, with obvious hyperbole of course, that one spend 10 years reading the sources, in reference to guys like Kris.

PhD? Sure, 10 years in the primary sources. But everyone else? Naw. Skip that. And if it cultivates the sort of attitude conveyed in your paragraph, a la, ("They cannot think. They haven't read How to Read a Book, posh posh, hoity hoity, let me drink some Pinot while I point out they can't understand Perry Robinson but I can, the silly idiots), then maybe such a breadth of reading isn't to be commended. Full disclosure Ramist, you are a humble fellow and I love your book reviews, but that's the vibe^ I got from that specific paragraph.
 
RamistThomist said:
I wrote the following in response to various online apologetics, but it applies to celebrity theologians (and those that follow them). It has an apologetic (or anti-apologetic ministry) bent, but you can adjust it accordingly.

Very few--and there are a few--have spent decades reading, and sometimes suffering, over primary historical and philosophical sources. 99/100 internet apologists--Prot, Orthobro, Trad, doesn't matter--give cliche answers to surface questions. They simply *cannot* think. Very few could even summarize Mortimer Adler's arguments in How to Read a Book. At best--and only at best--they might copy and paste a response from James White or Catholic Answers. A few orthobros might try to copy Perry Robinson, but his arguments are too sophisticated for Twitter soundbites. Conclusion: spend 10 years reading the sources first. You won't be shaken by idiots (debate me, brother!).
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Arguments in How To Read?
 
TheBoringBaptist said:
Arguments in How To Read?
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Yes
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Pomopu said:
The fact is, celebrity theologians don't need to read more stuff. They just need to engage with God, personally, more.
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I might not have made this clear in my post, but the kind of reading (or study) is years of self-denial. It makes one avoid the temptation to "get the latest word" in on the current theological scandal. That builds virtue.
Pomopu said:
And if it cultivates the sort of attitude conveyed in your paragraph, a la, ("They cannot think. They haven't read How to Read a Book, posh posh, hoity hoity, let me drink some Pinot while I point out they can't understand Perry Robinson but I can, the silly idiots), then maybe such a breadth of reading isn't to be commended.
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I know it sounds ugly and arrogant. That can't be helped. After years of watching online apologetics form all stripes, I meant every word I said. Of course, I don't have in mind Aunt Bessie May in the front pew. I'm talking about wannabe theologians and those who have to engage in the latest talking point or worldview analysis.
 
Pomopu said:
They aren't scholars. They aren't in the academy. The world needs guys like in the YouTube-theologian slot to bridge the gap between the academy and the interested plumber.
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You seem to be under the impression that those who have done deep reading and study can't be popularizers, as if in-depth knowledge and study makes one incapable of recording a Youtube video.

But of course there are quite a few counter-examples to that. R.C. Sproul, one of the great popularizers of Reformed theology, was extremely well-studied, and knew multiple languages (at a minimum he read in Dutch, Latin, Greek, Hebrew).

Moreover, you are saying that study can make one haughty, and I suppose that can be true, but ignorance can just as easily do that. The most arrogant people I've had the displeasure of knowing were extremely ignorant. They were so ignorant, in fact, that they did not know, or even have a general sense, of how little they knew. And I fear there are quite a few of these folks on youtube cranking out videos for the masses.
 
Charles Johnson said:
You seem to be under the impression that those who have done deep reading and study can't be popularizers, as if in-depth knowledge and study makes one incapable of recording a Youtube video.
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Nope, I am most definitely not under that impression.
 
It seems that the proliferation of heretical and errant theology can stem from the extremely well-educated as well as the non-educated, equally. And all Youtube does (like any other open medium) is give an equal, no-cost, and highly accessible platform to both. I'm not opposed to autodidacts or people without post-graduate theology degrees blogging or making videos on theology. Instead, what has been alarming for me to see, is how many people speak on scandals in the hopes of bolstering their own channels. Its as if it is relished as opposed to mourned, in that it generates a greater rate of click-bait than normal topics.
 
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Sovereign Grace said:
I saw on Twitter/X that Kris Williams...AKA KDub, has left his wife for another woman who he met online. His wife provided evidence of his discourse chat with the woman, and he repented and showed evidence he had blocked her number. However, later she contacted him or vice versa, and things resumed, and now he has left his family and, If I recall correctly, he has filed for divorce. Please pray for him and his broken family, and the woman he is involved with. :-(
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I don't know this individual, but will repeat loudly.....invest in your local church and stay off social media. Ditch the celebrity culture that persists and submit to your Elders....if an Elder then shepherd the flock under you well no matter how big or small.

Lord have mercy.
 
davejonescue said:
It seems that the proliferation of heretical and errant theology can stem from the extremely well-educated as well as the non-educated, equally. And all Youtube does (like any other open medium) is give an equal, no-cost, and highly accessible platform to both. I'm not opposed to autodidacts or people without post-graduate theology degrees blogging or making videos on theology. Instead, what has been alarming for me to see, is how many people speak on scandals in the hopes of bolstering their own channels. Its as if it is relished as opposed to mourned, in that it generates a greater rate of click-bait than normal topics.
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Same reason videos on sensational stuff are liked more than historical documentaries or videos about astronomy
 
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