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Today (July 15, 2022) is the 70th anniversary of the death of A. W. Pink, at the age of 66.
As Martyn Lloyd-Jones told someone: "Read Pink!"
As Martyn Lloyd-Jones told someone: "Read Pink!"
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My thoughts exactly.Given his dangerous and highly defective ecclesiology, which has had spiritually disastrous consequences for those who have imitated him, I would be very, very wary of ever telling anyone - without significant qualification - to "Read Pink." A man who needlessly absented himself from public worship for so long is not someone we should be promoting in the uncritical way we often do.
Would this information be present in his biography?Given his dangerous and highly defective ecclesiology, which has had spiritually disastrous consequences for those who have imitated him, I would be very, very wary of ever telling anyone - without significant qualification - to "Read Pink." A man who needlessly absented himself from public worship for so long is not someone we should be promoting in the uncritical way we often do.
It is.Would this information be present in his biography?
Could you elaborate? Are you sure about the word "needlessly" ? I mean, are you sure he was not ill, or taking care of an ill family member, or some such sort of thing? Is it possible he was getting over a bad experience and had what today we call PTSD? ( not necessarily an excuse, but it can be understandable for a time. I've know several people who went through a terrible church experience not their fault, and ended up taking months or a year off just to get over it).Given his dangerous and highly defective ecclesiology, which has had spiritually disastrous consequences for those who have imitated him, I would be very, very wary of ever telling anyone - without significant qualification - to "Read Pink." A man who needlessly absented himself from public worship for so long is not someone we should be promoting in the uncritical way we often do.
Could you elaborate? Are you sure about the word "needlessly" ? I mean, are you sure he was not ill, or taking care of an ill family member, or some such sort of thing? Is it possible he was getting over a bad experience and had what today we call PTSD? ( not necessarily an excuse, but it can be understandable for a time. I've know several people who went through a terrible church experience not their fault, and ended up taking months or a year off just to get over it).
Just wondering. I love his book on the Sovereignty of God. Thanks for any explanation.
Agreed.Discernment is required.
I believe so. But if you are criticising Pink for holding to independency, essentially you also have to criticise all Reformed Baptists.Didn’t Dr. Lloyd-Jones also hold to independency as far as church government?
To add to Pink's difficulties, he was from Southern England and he was living in the Outer Hebrides in the 1940's - culture shock would have been considerable, and it's not clear that the locals were necessarily as welcoming as they could have been. The local Christians reportedly thought he was "an English nutter".I think there are two issues that were difficult for Pink which is why I tend to be more charitable toward him:
1. I get the clear impression that Pink had a neurological disability, probably autism spectrum, which may explain his social isolation and difficulties relating to people.
2. Iain Murray said he lived in a difficult time in the life of the church. There were not not a lot of confessional Reformed churches in Western nations at the time. Pink found this difficult.
Agreed.
I believe so. But if you are criticising Pink for holding to independency, essentially you also have to criticise all Reformed Baptists.
Note: the best edition of Iain Murray's biography of Pink is his Revised 2004 edition. He tries to be more balanced in his critique of Pink.
Before the Murray and Belcher biographies were published, I suspect that many were not aware of Pink’s circumstances, especially those who only knew of him through reprints that were published after his death.To add to Pink's difficulties, he was from Southern England and he was living in the Outer Hebrides in the 1940's - culture shock would have been considerable, and it's not clear that the locals were necessarily as welcoming as they could have been. The local Christians reportedly thought he was "an English nutter".
Lloyd Jones needs to be quoted in full as well: what he actually said was "“Don’t waste your time reading Barth and Brunner. You will get nothing from them to aid you with preaching. Read Pink” In a time when the Banner of Truth did not yet exist and Puritans books were almost impossible to find, Pink mediated warmly devotional Puritan theology and Lloyd Jones had found his writings helpful during his own bouts of depression. He therefore advocated his writings as more helpful to young preachers than the neo-orthodox writers who were hitting the headlines in those days. Are we surprised?
It seems (though I could be wrong) that Lloyd Jones primarily knew Pink through his writings, not personally. Is it possible that perhaps he knew little of Pink's personal eccentricities? It's not like Pink got out much and Lloyd Jones wasn't regularly in the Highlands of Scotland.
All that to say that anyone who reads Pink should do so with discernment, like any author, but I suspect that there are still many good things to glean.
PS it's always risky to psychologically analyze the dead, but I had the same thought as you, Stephen, about Pink potentially fitting what we now call the Autism spectrum.
I don't think I've read the Richard Belcher biography through, but I remember one passage in which he notes that when Pink was in the pastorate, he would do things like shut himself in his office immediately after the service was over.1. I get the clear impression that Pink had a neurological disability, probably autism spectrum, which may explain his social isolation and difficulties relating to people.
Yes, he was not a people person and was more successful in itinerant evangelistic ministry than pastoral ministry, but ultimately his phobias brought him to devoting himself solely to his writing ministry.I don't think I've read the Richard Belcher biography through, but I remember one passage in which he notes that when Pink was in the pastorate, he would do things like shut himself in his office immediately after the service was over.
Another issue was the changes in his doctrinal position through the years. His strong emphasis on personal holiness was likely as much of a turnoff as his rejection of dispensationalism and his Calvinism.Yes, he was not a people person and was more successful in itinerant evangelistic ministry than pastoral ministry, but ultimately his phobias brought him to devoting himself solely to his writing ministry.
I've thought a lot about his leaving church and besides his difficulty in social situations, I have the impression from the two biographies, and some of what he wrote in Studies in the Scriptures, that he set a high doctrinal bar and if a congregation's confessional position didn't reach that level he couldn't attend.
I don't doubt some of us on this board know something about those feelings.
For instance many of the congregations in that era, and in the places he found himself, were Arminian and/or dispenational. So between his personality, and his confessional convictions, that had to influence his behavior.
If you go to the Sermon Audio link in post 10, the lecture by Thomas Sullivan explains quite a bit of this in the 45 minutes or so he presents it.
Other publishers (including Chapel Library) publish the unabridged book, but from what I've seen only Baker publishes the appendices. I don't know why that is. I would think they are in the public domain.If you read Pink's The Sovereignty of God, be sure to read the edition published by Baker Books, as that is the book as Pink wrote it. Don't read Iain Murray's Banner of Truth edition, in which Murray practically re-writes much of the book to produce the book Pink "should have written." The Baker edition is Pink's actual book, wherein the man speaks for himself.
Other publishers (including Chapel Library) publish the unabridged book, but from what I've seen only Baker publishes the appendices. I don't know why that is. I would think they are in the public domain.
Note though that most if not all of Baker's other Pink books were culled from Studies, with them sometimes only publishing part of the works. While it is a useful book, I don't know for example if Pink would have endorsed the way that Practical Christianity was compiled. It starts out with maybe half or less of his series "Saving Faith" and then proceeds to include several other studies, several of which are also abridged.
Regardless, he never dreamed that all of those books would be printed. I think Murray reports that Pink was one of the bestselling authors of the 2nd half of the 20th Century.
Didn't Chapel Library reprint the whole set? I'd think that would indicate they have a full set unless they borrowed someone else's.Westminster Seminary California has an almost complete set of Pink's magazine Studies in the Scriptures. Perhaps some diligent soul could plug the holes in some of those series and make them complete. The entire run of Studies in the Scriptures ran from January, 1922 to December, 1953.
2. Iain Murray said he lived in a difficult time in the life of the church. There were not not a lot of confessional Reformed churches in Western nations at the time. Pink found this difficult.
This is explicitly denoted in Pink's Commentary on Hebrews 1 (viewable here starting about half-way down the webpage).Rev Donald Beaton (FP theological tutor at the time) formed about him after personal conversation with him was that he did not accept the eternal Sonship of Christ.
This is explicitly denoted in Pink's Commentary on Hebrews 1 (viewable here starting about half-way down the webpage).
I linked to what Chapel Library displays currently on their webpage in another current Pink thread. According to Thomas Sullivan's audio bio on Sermon Audio Pink did not consider what he had published before 1932 worth reprinting, so Chapel follows that lead and begins in 1932. They don't have all of the Studies listed online, but a partial list from the '30s through '50s. I don't know what they have available in hard copy, the link is to free e-books, PDFs. They have other titles, including the Sovereignty of God.Didn't Chapel Library reprint the whole set? I'd think that would indicate they have a full set unless they borrowed someone else's.
That's interesting. I think many who share Pink's aversion to dispensationalism would disagree with the idea that nothing he published before 1932 is worth reprinting. I don't have Murray's bio handy, so I can't verify what was published before that date. Naturally, he was in the middle of some series in 1932.I linked to what Chapel Library displays currently on their webpage in another current Pink thread. According to Thomas Sullivan's audio bio on Sermon Audio Pink did not consider what he had published before 1932 worth reprinting, so Chapel follows that lead and begins in 1932. They don't have all of the Studies listed online, but a partial list from the '30s through '50s. I don't know what they have available in hard copy, the link is to free e-books, PDFs. They have other titles, including the Sovereignty of God.
https://www.chapellibrary.org/search?input=Studies+In+The+Scriptures