Best Version of Calvin's Institutes

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  1. Davidius

    Davidius Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Is there a translation/edition which is considered the "best"?
     
  2. wsw201

    wsw201 Puritan Board Senior

    the Battles edition is the most popular but I like the Beveridge version.
     
  3. CDM

    CDM Puritan Board Junior

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Institutes-Christian-Religion-2-Set/dp/0664220282/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196282973&sr=8-1"]John T. McNeil[/ame]

    open....shut

    :judge:
     
  4. Southern Presbyterian

    Southern Presbyterian Moderator Staff Member

  5. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

  6. Davidius

    Davidius Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Uh oh...do I need to start a poll? :lol:
     
  7. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    I am glad David started this thread! It is something I was thinking about. There was an edition that came out around 95? my Pastor mentioned, I forgot the Publisher and Translator anyone here know of one done around that time???:detective:
     
  8. Casey

    Casey Puritan Board Junior

    Good question. :think:
     
  9. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    Not that I know of. There are plenty of the hardback editions available used. And, of course, the whole thing is available for free here. I know that wasn't what Josh wants (I don't like reading on a computer screen either!). However, it is at least available.
     
  10. VaughanRSmith

    VaughanRSmith Puritan Board Sophomore

    Battles. I struggled through the first volume in the Beveridge translation, and then purchased the newest John McNeill edition. Breath of fresh air!
     
  11. VaughanRSmith

    VaughanRSmith Puritan Board Sophomore

    I believe that Battles is the preserved text ;)
     
  12. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    HOW CAN YOU SAY SO? WHY, YOU MODERNIST ANTI-19TH CENTURY-IST ANTI-BEVERAGE (HMM, SPELLING ANYONE?) ELITIST!!!!!! (Chokes on own bile). :tombstone:
     
  13. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

  14. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    OK, that's REALLY embarassing! To tell poor Josh that a new hardback doesn't exist, and then someone finds it because of a link on my own blog. :eek::eek::eek:
     
  15. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

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    Looks like you been reading online again by your avatar. :D
     
  16. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Man that looks like it hurts. I guess my services will be free now. Charges dropped. I feel a need to relieve your eye strain. :handshake:
     
  17. Southern Presbyterian

    Southern Presbyterian Moderator Staff Member

    :amen:
     
  18. lwadkins

    lwadkins Puritan Board Junior

    Josh I believe that this isbn is for the Bev. Trans. as published by Jay P. Green in 2 vols. isbn 1589603168
     
  19. lwadkins

    lwadkins Puritan Board Junior

    This seems to be the ISBN for vol 2 1589603176
     
  20. lwadkins

    lwadkins Puritan Board Junior

    Also they seem to have these new on Amazon. Kinda pricey though.:think:
     
  21. Dieter Schneider

    Dieter Schneider Puritan Board Sophomore

    Battles is obtainable on CD - and a lot cheaper than hardback (2 vols.), but I guess you ought to have both. Here in the UK the CD can be purchased; not sure about where to get it in the US. You may also like my blog on Calvin, et al. If you are keen you ought to get the 1536 edition; do not forget Battles' excellent analysis. Best wishes.
     
  22. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    I would buy anything but the Green set. Maybe even a good 19th century printing. :2cents:
     
  23. Davidius

    Davidius Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Thanks for the link. What do you mean by the 1536 edition? A copy in the original Latin?
     
  24. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    Calvin's Institutes went through 5 editions, including immense expansion. The 1536 edition is the first edition, which is considerably smaller than the final edition of 1559.
     
  25. Casey

    Casey Puritan Board Junior

    Actually, I don't believe this Hendrickson version on Amazon is revised (someone correct me if I'm wrong!) -- it's been re-typeset, not revised (like what they did with the Keil-Delitzsch OT commentaries). What that means is they've changed the font and reformatted it, which would of course change the total number of pages, but that doesn't mean they've changed the text itself. Although, this Hendrickson edition isn't out yet, and with the low price, I'm not so sure the binding will be good (hopefully they don't do what Eerdmans did with poor old Berkhof!).
     
  26. R. Scott Clark

    R. Scott Clark Puritan Board Senior

    Of the Institutes, the modern critical edition is the Battles edn, but Muller prefers the Allen and there are advantages to the Beveridge. For citation purposes, however, the Battles edn is to be used.

    The critical Latin edn is in vols 1-3 of the Opera selecta. This is available in most academic libraries or via ILL or via ABE et al. Scholars also cite the ediiton in the Corpus Reformatorum, esp. for the earlier editions. There is a 19th century Latin text, ed. Tholuck, which one might find used, but it's been supersceded by the Opera Selecta.

    rsc
     
  27. MW

    MW Puritan Board Doctor

    Wouldn't Tholuck's Latin edition be the pure text? Ad fontes. For English translations, the 1561 (authorised) version must have some claim on the purists. Nevertheless, I would say Beveridge is best for reliability and Battles for readability and scholarly notes.
     
  28. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member


    Interesting. Do you know of any editions in the old French?
     
  29. R. Scott Clark

    R. Scott Clark Puritan Board Senior

    Yes, they are also in the CR.

    rsc
     
  30. R. Scott Clark

    R. Scott Clark Puritan Board Senior

    Well, Tholuck's is easier to use but I don't know why a 19th century critical text is more ad fontes than an early 20th century criticial text. The OS has line numbers and that's the edn that most scholars cite most frequently for the '59 Latin text.

    If one wants to go ad fontes then one wants to use one of the 16th century editions. I'm not sure it's worth the effort, but Muller argues in his 2000 Calvin volume (a must read) that this is the way Calvin scholars should read Calvin. For most of us that means rolling through microfiche or print outs from fiche readers and the like.

    rsc
     
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