Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
strictly from a business stand point?
Can a Christian in good conscience open a pub....
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Maybe in Europe.
Bladestunner316
Puritan Board Doctor
I wouldnt think it would be bad as long as they were aware of how much the customer was drinking. But I dont really care for Pubs or Bars I always feel uncomfortable about them.
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Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
so how will you monitor how much the customer is drinking? One drink maximum? what about the bar as a meeting place for one night standers?
Can a Christian divorce themselves from these things and still run the bar strictly for business sakes or would he be encouraging drunkeness and adultery.
Bladestunner316
Puritan Board Doctor
How would he be encouraging adultry??
I think there should be a minimum as long as the consumer knows where they stand there should be no problem.
I think there should be a minimum as long as the consumer knows where they stand there should be no problem.
Michael Butterfield
Puritan Board Freshman
I really find it hard to believe this is a serious inquiry, but I will humor the situation and assume it is. I will admit, however, that I do approach it with a great deal of credulity, for this idea lacks them most fundamental wisdom and show a acute lack of worldly savvy.
This is impiety! You are either living in a cave and have no idea about the bar/pub context in these United States and/or Europe or you have turned into a Reformed Fundamentalist. As a Reformed fundi, you have simply turned the fundamentalists argument against drinking upon its head and allowed yourself to become drunk (pun indented) on your own Christian liberty! I wonder, could I run a club where women do pole dancing and a bump and grind without taking their clothes off and just run around in bikini swimsuits just as a business venture? Hmm? NOT! You cannot even use 1 Corinthians 10:23. This does not even fall into the category of lawful much less expedient and it hardly edifies.
Warning: This is the voice of incredulity speaking"”do not take it personally
This is impiety! You are either living in a cave and have no idea about the bar/pub context in these United States and/or Europe or you have turned into a Reformed Fundamentalist. As a Reformed fundi, you have simply turned the fundamentalists argument against drinking upon its head and allowed yourself to become drunk (pun indented) on your own Christian liberty! I wonder, could I run a club where women do pole dancing and a bump and grind without taking their clothes off and just run around in bikini swimsuits just as a business venture? Hmm? NOT! You cannot even use 1 Corinthians 10:23. This does not even fall into the category of lawful much less expedient and it hardly edifies.
Warning: This is the voice of incredulity speaking"”do not take it personally
Puritanhead
Puritan Board Professor
I could just hear the gossip at church now...
I think even from the worldly standpoint there are many different classes of bars, and there is a distinction between a bar and a nightclub.
Here is australia many restaurants and bars have signs that say they will refuse to serve alcohol to intoxicated patrons. I don't know if this is by law or voluntary or how strictly they adhere to it. ( not very i guess)
I think in theory i would be possible to open are bar in good conscience, but in practice there might be so many problems as to make it infeasible. Off course, if you stuck to your principles there is that little problem of profits to worry about as well.
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[Edited on 1-18-2006 by satz]
Here is australia many restaurants and bars have signs that say they will refuse to serve alcohol to intoxicated patrons. I don't know if this is by law or voluntary or how strictly they adhere to it. ( not very i guess)
I think in theory i would be possible to open are bar in good conscience, but in practice there might be so many problems as to make it infeasible. Off course, if you stuck to your principles there is that little problem of profits to worry about as well.
[Edited on 1-18-2006 by satz]
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VirginiaHuguenot
Puritanboard Librarian
Shouldn't this thread be in the Puritan Pub? Anyways, that's where you'll find this 21st century Puritan. Prost!
On a more serious note, over-serving is generally illegal. Every profession has its challenges. One might as easily ask if one could become a policeman or a doctor or a pharmacist in good conscience given the mischief that is framed by a law in our society today and the abortion rights and birth control on demand that are so prevalent. We need Christian pub-owners and bartenders. Let's return to our Puritan roots and reclaim pubs for Christ!
On a more serious note, over-serving is generally illegal. Every profession has its challenges. One might as easily ask if one could become a policeman or a doctor or a pharmacist in good conscience given the mischief that is framed by a law in our society today and the abortion rights and birth control on demand that are so prevalent. We need Christian pub-owners and bartenders. Let's return to our Puritan roots and reclaim pubs for Christ!
tcalbrecht
Puritan Board Junior
Does running a pub encourage drunkenness anymore than running a restaurant would encourage gluttony? Or owning a gas station encourage speeding?
Should a Christian place a two appetizer max on their guests?
Pilgrim
Puritanboard Commissioner
I don't know if I like the usage of "Reformed fundamentalist" here, but I think your point is well taken. I think we've probably all seen some Reformed believers, especially young ones coming from Fundy or pentecostal backgrounds go to extremes in the other direction. They go beyond liberty and into license, or becoming drunk on their "Christian liberty" as you say.
As Milton wrote:
"œNone can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license."
biblelighthouse
Puritan Board Junior
Should a Christian not own a motel, since that might encourage adultery?
biblelighthouse
Puritan Board Junior
but what about intenerant married couples who are just in a bad way . . .biblelighthouse
Puritan Board Junior
Originally posted by tdowns007
we open one,
The Puritan's Pub!!!! We can all post in the puritan's pub while drinking in it as well. lol
This is actually a GREAT idea, in my opinion!
I know you were joking, but I am serious.
Why should we let the devil have all the pubs? Why not have a pub for Christ? Seriously!! Simply hire effective Presbyterian, Anglican, & Baptist bouncers who will throw people out if they start to get berschnickered.
Only Christ-honoring drinking related activities would be allowed.
The jukebox could be full of Christian music . . . there could even be a jukebox "Psalter only" night for the EP drinking crowd.
VirginiaHuguenot
Puritanboard Librarian
The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love. -- Law, the City of Augsburg, 13th Century
biblelighthouse
Puritan Board Junior
I would agree. However . . .
Scripture says that we are supposed to take care of widows, orphans, and the poor. . . .
But personally, I vote for a good German beer, a Sam Adams, or ANY wheat beer!
Michael Butterfield
Puritan Board Freshman
Apples and Oranges. Any good thinking individual will know the difference between a Lonestar Steakhouse and a pub/bar. You are parsing words and not really dealing with the issue In my humble opinion. I always love the way there is an attempt to tone the extreme with the norms and though A equaled B. You and I have both eaten in a Lonestar type of establishment and possibly drank a good beer with a slab of red meat, but to compare that to a bar is mixing apples and oranges.
Michael Butterfield
Puritan Board Freshman
Bunch of libertines! :bigsmile:
biblelighthouse
Puritan Board Junior
Michael,
Who says a Christian has to run a pub just like everyone else?
Why not open a Christian-owned pub, with Christian-based rules? Simply DON'T ALLOW drunkenness, half-naked women, lude music, etc.
Enforce the correct rules, and I think you could create an excellent Christian pub that would honor the Lord!
Who says a Christian has to run a pub just like everyone else?
Why not open a Christian-owned pub, with Christian-based rules? Simply DON'T ALLOW drunkenness, half-naked women, lude music, etc.
Enforce the correct rules, and I think you could create an excellent Christian pub that would honor the Lord!
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
there is this pub in Monroe, Enoch's, and they don't have naked girls or excessive drinking (too expensive). It is Irish. Granted, other pubs could be different.
VirginiaHuguenot
Puritanboard Librarian
"œIt is better to think of church in the ale-house than to think of the ale-house in church." - Martin Luther
Me Died Blue
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
That's brilliant!
Puritanhead
Puritan Board Professor
"Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we prohibit and abolish women?"
"”Martin Luther
"”Martin Luther
WrittenFromUtopia
Puritan Board Graduate
Luther brought Bibles into the pubs of Wittenburg, did he not?
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