LadyFlynt
Puritan Board Doctor
I know I'm just jumping in here...but I thought I would just point out a few things...
LeHaye does believe that the Jewish people need to come to acceptance of Christ as Messiah for salvation. His eschatology though goes furthur to say that those orthodox Jews who reject the anti-Christ and happen to still be living when Christ returns shall be saved (allowed to live into the millineum...not as new people with new bodies) also...but those who have died before His return are hell-bound.
Also, Scott...the reason why many people listen to dispensationalists (before they even understand what eschatology is...and many don't) is because of lifestyle. They are known by how they live (as Peter was known by his speech). It is a sad case that most Reformed churches argue over symantics and yet can't even apply the simplist of commands. I know that there are Reformed churches and groups that are starting to trying to change it. But let me tell you what I see when I read through this board and what I see in Reformed churches...
1) Churches with money and lots of degrees (I'm going somewhere with this)
2) You don't speak English
These two things cause you to not be able to relate to the common man. The working class or those raised in it. I'm not saying having an education is bad...it's excellent...but there is little to no variety of ppl in those churches (that I can see). Common people are not comfortable in these churches. Half the time I have trouble reading these boards (why not say "believer's baptism" and "infant baptism" instead of credo and paedo?). You don't use terms that ppl can understand and therefore you lose them. You aren't reaching out to these ppl. And the fundamental churches teach holiness...something that gets forgotton in todays Reformed churches (modesty, headcovering, serving one another, living in a manner that won't cause others to fall ie. not drinking in public and not smoking, not participating in groups that are counterproductive to our beliefs-lodges, certain clubs, etc.) (That is also why these groups will have Bible schools and not "cemetaries" as they call them...they've seen too many come out of semenary with HUGE loans to pay off, and sooo much schooling that they may be educated, but seem dead spiritually) Ppl notice these things and that is why they are drawn to Dispensational churches. The "Dispensational" part just happens to come along with it...reach out to these ppl and then teach them. Just a lesson I've learned from DH being a working man, leading studies & reaching out at work and on the streets.
We as Reformers of the Reformed can do this. We have friends who have semenary degrees learning to reach out to those on the streets and learning to "communicate" with normal ppl. If you are with someone who understand those phrases (credo, paedo, soteriolgy, ecclesialogy, etc) then fine...but there are times when you've got to step down from the pulpit (so to speak) and eat from THEIR table.
So these ppl aren't believing in Dispensational unreasonabally...just when talked to by covenant ppl, they have no idea what you are saying and therefore think that you are using big words to pull one over on them...to them YOU don't make common sense.
Just my humble opinions and observasances...please don't take offense...we are ALL learning in one way or another.
[Edited on 23-12-2004 by LadyFlynt]
LeHaye does believe that the Jewish people need to come to acceptance of Christ as Messiah for salvation. His eschatology though goes furthur to say that those orthodox Jews who reject the anti-Christ and happen to still be living when Christ returns shall be saved (allowed to live into the millineum...not as new people with new bodies) also...but those who have died before His return are hell-bound.
Also, Scott...the reason why many people listen to dispensationalists (before they even understand what eschatology is...and many don't) is because of lifestyle. They are known by how they live (as Peter was known by his speech). It is a sad case that most Reformed churches argue over symantics and yet can't even apply the simplist of commands. I know that there are Reformed churches and groups that are starting to trying to change it. But let me tell you what I see when I read through this board and what I see in Reformed churches...
1) Churches with money and lots of degrees (I'm going somewhere with this)
2) You don't speak English
These two things cause you to not be able to relate to the common man. The working class or those raised in it. I'm not saying having an education is bad...it's excellent...but there is little to no variety of ppl in those churches (that I can see). Common people are not comfortable in these churches. Half the time I have trouble reading these boards (why not say "believer's baptism" and "infant baptism" instead of credo and paedo?). You don't use terms that ppl can understand and therefore you lose them. You aren't reaching out to these ppl. And the fundamental churches teach holiness...something that gets forgotton in todays Reformed churches (modesty, headcovering, serving one another, living in a manner that won't cause others to fall ie. not drinking in public and not smoking, not participating in groups that are counterproductive to our beliefs-lodges, certain clubs, etc.) (That is also why these groups will have Bible schools and not "cemetaries" as they call them...they've seen too many come out of semenary with HUGE loans to pay off, and sooo much schooling that they may be educated, but seem dead spiritually) Ppl notice these things and that is why they are drawn to Dispensational churches. The "Dispensational" part just happens to come along with it...reach out to these ppl and then teach them. Just a lesson I've learned from DH being a working man, leading studies & reaching out at work and on the streets.
We as Reformers of the Reformed can do this. We have friends who have semenary degrees learning to reach out to those on the streets and learning to "communicate" with normal ppl. If you are with someone who understand those phrases (credo, paedo, soteriolgy, ecclesialogy, etc) then fine...but there are times when you've got to step down from the pulpit (so to speak) and eat from THEIR table.
So these ppl aren't believing in Dispensational unreasonabally...just when talked to by covenant ppl, they have no idea what you are saying and therefore think that you are using big words to pull one over on them...to them YOU don't make common sense.
Just my humble opinions and observasances...please don't take offense...we are ALL learning in one way or another.
[Edited on 23-12-2004 by LadyFlynt]