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Originally Posted by Tirian
Originally Posted by earl40
It was not by any direct communication from the devil for this is the superstitious aspect I am speaking against which many Christians believe.
So you're saying the devil did not communicate directly with Smith - how do you know this?
I am tempted to say I am smart but if I did it is because of the fall and not by any direct temptation by satan.
Originally Posted by Tirian
Originally Posted by earl40
It was not by any direct communication from the devil for this is the superstitious aspect I am speaking against which many Christians believe.
So you're saying the devil did not communicate directly with Smith - how do you know this?
I am tempted to say I am smart but if I did it is because of the fall and not by any direct temptation by satan.
So Satan and presumably other demons are unable to manifest themselves in any way to communicate directly with people now other than through having caused a fallen state? Sounds like Satan is a concept rather than a being then.
I think that happened at least once before....
Earl, do you believe that Muhammad also just made up his vision of "Gabriel", rather than having a demonically-inspired vision?
I would like to post this here from another relevant thread http://www.puritanboard.com/f64/demons-know-future-84046/
Earl, so Satan and demons are completely cut off from mankind except through the ongoing consequences of the fall? So they are more of a theme rather than entity? When Paul tells the Corinthians not to fellowship with demons he's talking in the abstract about continuing on in the "spirit" of the fall?
I would like to post this here from another relevant thread http://www.puritanboard.com/f64/demons-know-future-84046/
Earl she had a spirit of divination, which is meant that a devil was in her & gave her these powers, whatever or however they worked is not the point, it was not her own human spirit, it was a fallen angel which is what devils are, they are devils in name & devils in nature, that gave her this ability, your post confirms what I was suspecting from the other thread http://www.puritanboard.com/f64/christian-response-ouija-boards-84031/ that you deny the existence of evil supernaturalism by calling it superstition, this is a form of Liberalism.
OK, sure you've said that the Devil is real, but you seem to deny that he/she can or does exert spiritual power over mankind & seem to equate human sinfulness with being all that Satan's power consists of, human sinfulness is human sinfulness & evil satanic supernaturalism or spiritualism is just that a spiritual power or force which satan can exert, as God wills, over mankind, this is not superstition as you suppose.
I'd call that infallible revelation, recorded in a unique time of redemptive history, preserved for us to understand the power of King Jesus Christ over all things. I have no such proof from any other extra-Scriptural experiences, mine or otherwise.But what do you make of the crazed man of the Gadareens who was not able to be held by chains and even had wounds from trying to stone himself? Merely town folks superstitions or more?