Church/Members Asking About a Person's Vaccination Status

J.L. Allen

Puritan Board Sophomore
The real question, and it is a big one is whether churches will segregate their people based on vaccination status. I hear that in some states, churches are being told that vaccinated people do not have to wear a mask while unvaccinated do. Vaccinated people (unmasked) can sit in one area, while unvaccinated people (masked) have to sit in a different area, with different capacity limits in each area. Thus, at the door of the church we would have screening of vaccination status, and a segregation based on that.

And some churches will just go along with this because they have gone along with everything else.
This is exactly it.

The Lord's Supper can be different, they can be baptized separately, they could use different facilities at the church, and then eventually they can have their services separated completely! Maybe the unvaccinated can have something on their clothes to signify that they are not to mingle? Paperwork is already being implemented, so that's a step in the right direction. They'll have to remain masked. That's a great way to make sure that their humanity is obscured, too. That'll make it easier to see their employment terminated and other abilities in society diminished. So on and so forth...

Obviously I'm being snarky about it, but I'm doing so to make a point. We're now seeing a makeshift caste system develop right before our eyes based on lies and deceit fueled by fear. "Protect grandma!" from the mouths of the very people who softly (for now) advocate for the elimination of the elderly and give deafening screams for the elimination of the unborn. If it smacks of Soviet-era insanity and the rise of the Third Reich, good! It can't possibly happen here? Right? They said the same thing. And yet even they didn't promote a sodomite agenda to be consumed under threat of elimination. I received a text this morning from a friend who said that the college he works at will require vaccination to continue employment there. Second class citizen? Yup! And becoming more so. It seems that the church has, in large swaths, gone along with the program. We use Scripture to justify it, but when will it become clear that lines drawn in the sand have been long swept away, and we're just blindly submitting to whatever comes from the mouth of rulers who are doing the work of their father the devil? And to the rebuttal that God establishes and deposes kings - yes, and "the devil is God's devil," but we don't bow down to the devil thinking that we're bowing down to God through him. That would be idolatry of the highest order. As one of the brothers in the Great White North has pointed out (in this thread or another) - give it time because it's coming. The church is going to nuance herself to death in an attempt to be winsome and win the world. The church is to be countercultural to the point of it being a siege weapon in God's hands. The gates of Hell will not prevail. So let us not take up roost in the eaves of the watchtowers of Satan. Let us not eat from his table but cry out that there is death in the pot! Hopefully others will see our witness and head the testimony given to us by God and discontinue their bonds with ghouls of Satan's domain. We need to stand firmly on the Word and do no other. Give no room to any of the lies of the world.

To the OP - I personally don't engage in the conversation unless it is directly discussed with me. I gently give my position yet am firm about my convictions.
 

Boreal

Puritan Board Freshman
In my circles, a negative view of the experimental gene therapy injections is usually an indicator of a right assessment of the greater issues at hand*, so these kinds of conversations are transparent and flow freely.

*Note, “in my circles.” I’m not making a pronouncement about anyone else.
 

dhh712

Puritan Board Freshman
As one of the brothers in the Great White North has pointed out (in this thread or another) - give it time because it's coming. The church is going to nuance herself to death in an attempt to be winsome and win the world. The church is to be countercultural to the point of it being a siege weapon in God's hands. The gates of Hell will not prevail. So let us not take up roost in the eaves of the watchtowers of Satan. Let us not eat from his table but cry out that there is death in the pot! Hopefully others will see our witness and head the testimony given to us by God and discontinue their bonds with ghouls of Satan's domain. We need to stand firmly on the Word and do no other. Give no room to any of the lies of the world.
Churches may have seemed to returned to "normal" but I would be on guard. I particularly believe that the church will largely be persecuted in this country (in a not-too-distant future) via the LGBTQ movement--that is avenue by which Satan and his slaves will make their most vicious attacks. The propaganda is just like his MOA: appearing as an "angel of light" (what "harm" are homosexuals doing really? No one is getting hurt and these are good, upstanding citizens. Anyone who "hates" these people must be "hateful" themselves: they are wrong and deserved to be punished for being so absurdly prejudiced for no reason at all, except for their brain-washing book which they don't even know how to correctly interpret).

This is no time to be weak, else we will fall too easily. Churches need to prepare their flock to be assaulted by Satan; it seems very likely we will see some sort of persecution of churches (serious persecution) here in the states very soon.
 

lynnie

Puritan Board Graduate
I think one issue of great concern is that the same people who have reacted so severely to the threat of covid showed no such caution in regards to flu or other viruses which can be very serious or even fatal. People who would happily have shaken hands with others, or sat shoulder to shoulder, or shared the common cup during the administration of the Lord's Supper, in winter seasons when flu (which kills thousands every year) and viruses like gastroenteritis are circulating through the person's own congregation, have reacted in the opposite way here. This is not a rational response to the circumstances we are in. Even if covid is worse than flu, it's not so much worse to warrant such a response. If someone had never thought of receiving the flu vaccine in the past, but now insists on receiving both shots of an experimental "vaccine" before he will even consider returning to church, then there is something very wrong.

That is not to say we can't be gracious to such a person and give leeway to our weaker brethren. But there comes a time when staying away from church, or abstaining from the Lord's Supper, stops being a permissable response to risk and becomes irrational fear or even unbelief. The Kirk Session has to make the judgment call when that line is crossed. My concern is too many sessions are unwilling to do so.
If you had followed the non MSM reports on this from the start, you might understand better.

The lab origin theory is finally starting to penetrate into the mainstream now, but over a year ago geneticists were saying this virus had HIV snips in it. Now it is being openly published finally.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...n-prove-covid-19-man-made-no-credible-natural ( from daily mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html)

Way back, even that liberal rag of the NY Times ran an story about the eerie parallels between HIV and COVID. Here is a link to an article that has a link ( https://www.zerohedge.com/political...use-depletion-important-immune-cells-ny-times)

As the mainstream media desperately plays catch-up, The New York Times released a piece yesterday called "How the Coronavirus Short-Circuits the Immune System" and said that "In a disturbing parallel to H.I.V., the coronavirus can cause a depletion of important immune cells, recent studies found."

"Now researchers have discovered yet another unpleasant surprise. In many patients hospitalized with the coronavirus, the immune system is threatened by a depletion of certain essential cells, suggesting eerie parallels with H.I.V.," the article says.

The assertions could explain why few kids get sick and why a "cocktail" of treatments may be needed to bring the coronavirus under control, similar to how H.I.V. is treated.


There were plenty of articles by doctors ( USA, Hong Kong, elsewhere) about HIV like lowering of white cells in the clinical results of their patients. I probably posted them here, don't feel like hunting up links now.

So tell me, why would anybody who is willing to risk colds and flus, like say me for example, want to risk getting an airborne HIV-ish virus, not knowing if it stays in you forever like chicken pox, or if the body clears it? Why would I want permanently lowered white blood cells?

"Even if covid is worse than flu, it's not so much worse to warrant such a response." False...if you knew the facts you would not say that. And nobody really knows the facts, because it takes 8-10 years for HIV to turn into AIDS and this virus has not been around that long. We do not know what happens eventually. Chicken pox becomes shingles. What does COVID become? We do not know.

Churches with people who refuse to wear masks because of "tyranny" and "freedom", but will go outside on a dark winter night, breath out a cloud of steam, and if you point out that cloud is lung aerosols and is significantly reduced by masks, they have NO answer but get annoyed and even contemptuous? Who wants to go to that? Why would anybody want to potentially lower white blood cells for the rest of your life? Why would a person not want to wait until this subject is clarified and studied and the facts are clear? I get that you think we should have all gone to church with anti maskers and gotten this potential AIDS-like lab created virus, but that isn't the point. The point is that this is NOT a cold or a flu. There is no hypocrisy in avoiding it.

I got it anyway from grandbaby, and even with all the things I've read about Ivermectin I never anticipated such an almost miraculous effect in 24 hours for d-i-l and me who have asthma. From painful lungs to normal in one day. The efficacy of Ivermectin is astonishing and life saving. I expected virally induced asthma, but never got it- praise be to God. By the way, when HIV was first discovered, one of the earliest treatments was Ivermectin ( cheap, and replaced with costly newer drugs). It didn't cure totally, but knocked virus levels way down. Hub and I plan to stay on it the rest of our lives, maybe every 2 weeks or month....trying to get more research information.

If you want to get people into church, telling them that there are treatment protocols that are effective is possibly the way to go, but until the AMA promotes them most will not consider them. Sending them links to all the excellent doctors and protocols is helpful if they are open. Criticizing them for what they consider to be wisdom and prudence is not helpful. Comparing COVID to the flu is false. Anyway, carry on.......
 

Ryan&Amber2013

Puritan Board Junior
Churches may have seemed to returned to "normal" but I would be on guard. I particularly believe that the church will largely be persecuted in this country (in a not-too-distant future) via the LGBTQ movement--that is avenue by which Satan and his slaves will make their most vicious attacks. The propaganda is just like his MOA: appearing as an "angel of light" (what "harm" are homosexuals doing really? No one is getting hurt and these are good, upstanding citizens. Anyone who "hates" these people must be "hateful" themselves: they are wrong and deserved to be punished for being so absurdly prejudiced for no reason at all, except for their brain-washing book which they don't even know how to correctly interpret).

This is no time to be weak, else we will fall too easily. Churches need to prepare their flock to be assaulted by Satan; it seems very likely we will see some sort of persecution of churches (serious persecution) here in the states very soon.
This is a very interesting observation. A trend that I have noticed is that the people who generally get persecuted are the ones who stand in public places, who sound angry and even hateful at times, and are yelling out to people who are minding their own business, telling them that God is going to make homosexuals burn in fire. I can see why this would make people very upset.

I have a friend who was a homosexual and repented. Now he befriends homosexuals, invests in their lives, and lovingly speaks to them about God when possible. As far as I know he never gets persecuted.

I'm not saying open air preaching is wrong, but I wonder if Christians took a different approach in a more relational, loving, and kind way, if persecution would die way down. How much of it is Christians not being tactful or wise, and bringing this upon themselves?

Sorry I got things off track ;)
 

Taylor

Puritan Board Senior
A trend that I have noticed is that the people who generally get persecuted are the ones who stand in public places, who sound angry and even hateful at times, and are yelling out to people who are minding their own business, telling them that God is going to make homosexuals burn in fire. I can see why this would make people very upset.
Brother, this is what secular America thinks all Christians are.
 

Tom Hart

Puritan Board Senior
A trend that I have noticed is that the people who generally get persecuted are the ones who stand in public places, who sound angry and even hateful at times, and are yelling out to people who are minding their own business, telling them that God is going to make homosexuals burn in fire. I can see why this would make people very upset.
A trend that I've observed (and I think I'm not alone) is that people hate being told that they're wrong. But they hate nothing more than being told they're sinners in need of Christ.
I wonder if Christians took a different approach in a more relational, loving, and kind way, if persecution would die way down. How much of it is Christians not being tactful or wise, and brining this upon themselves?
The church is still going to have to tell them they're sinners. If they won't do that, then they shouldn't pretend to be loving.
 

Susan777

Puritan Board Sophomore
This is a very interesting observation. A trend that I have noticed is that the people who generally get persecuted are the ones who stand in public places, who sound angry and even hateful at times, and are yelling out to people who are minding their own business, telling them that God is going to make homosexuals burn in fire. I can see why this would make people very upset.

I have a friend who was a homosexual and repented. Now he befriends homosexuals, invests in their lives, and lovingly speaks to them about God when possible. As far as I know he never gets persecuted.

I'm not saying open air preaching is wrong, but I wonder if Christians took a different approach in a more relational, loving, and kind way, if persecution would die way down. How much of it is Christians not being tactful or wise, and bringing this upon themselves?

Sorry I got things off track ;)
Yeah. If only we were more winsome. Why, I bet nobody would ever be doxed, lose a job, hauled before a ”human rights” commission, or made to apologize for incorrect opinions. No one was more ”relational, loving and kind” than our Savior but for some odd reason he didn’t see the persecution die way down. Neither did the cake baker, the wedding photographer or the florist.
 

Ryan&Amber2013

Puritan Board Junior
I have had one person not like me because I was a Christian. Nothing I could do could win him over. No matter how kind I was he would speak bad of me. O yeah, and I did miss a job opportunity because I wouldn't work Sundays. This kind of persecution does happen and is real.

On the other hand, I have worked alongside of many people for many years who know me as one of the very few true Christians they have ever met. They often talk about how most others appear to be hypocrites. They know me as a holy person who won't comprise anything morally. But they also know I love them, that I am kind to them, and that I always have their good in mind. They know I will always treat them with dignity and thoughtfulness, and because of my character towards them, we have real friendships even though our lives are so different. I've shared the gospel with all of these people, they know I am well aware of their sins and I see that sin as wrong, but we still care about each other. At my job I am known as "brother Ryan." And this same mutual love goes for family and friends I have as well. I have always found that simple kindness goes a long way.

I will also add that I have shared the Gospel with probably thousands of people over the years, the law and grace, and no one has ever persecuted me. If I am kind and respectful to others, I am generally treated the same way back.

You guys can feel free to mock that if you want, but I am very happy to have such a life experience. I'm sorry it seems many of you are so easily hated by others. Have a good night all.
 
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Taylor

Puritan Board Senior
You guys can feel free to mock that if you want...
I can't speak for others, but my comment was certainly not mockery. Like you, I have been fortunate to have had a generally good experience as a Christian in America. However, I live in backwoods Georgia, where virtually everyone is at least a nominal Christian. At the same time, I recognize that much of secular America these days is unwilling to distinguish between the angry street preacher and the kind pew sitter. They are one and the same to many of these people.
 

Ryan&Amber2013

Puritan Board Junior
I can't speak for others, but my comment was certainly not mockery. Like you, I have been fortunate to have had a generally good experience as a Christian in America. However, I live in backwoods Georgia, where virtually everyone is at least a nominal Christian. At the same time, I recognize that much of secular America these days is unwilling to distinguish between the angry street preacher and the kind pew sitter. They are one and the same to many of these people.
No problem at all! Yeah, that is a shame, brother.
 

dhh712

Puritan Board Freshman
This is a very interesting observation. A trend that I have noticed is that the people who generally get persecuted are the ones who stand in public places, who sound angry and even hateful at times, and are yelling out to people who are minding their own business, telling them that God is going to make homosexuals burn in fire. I can see why this would make people very upset.

I have a friend who was a homosexual and repented. Now he befriends homosexuals, invests in their lives, and lovingly speaks to them about God when possible. As far as I know he never gets persecuted.

I'm not saying open air preaching is wrong, but I wonder if Christians took a different approach in a more relational, loving, and kind way, if persecution would die way down. How much of it is Christians not being tactful or wise, and bringing this upon themselves?

Sorry I got things off track ;)
It wouldn't be these Christians I was talking about--they are not going about their testimony to Jesus in the right way, in my opinion (I'm a former transgender and have repented). The way to go about showing that one has been with Jesus is just the way you've described: to be loving and kind to all, even our enemies.

However, what I was talking about is how eventually any sort of talk about how LGBTQ is a sin against God as depicted in God's word would be considered hate speech and a crime that is punishable. The propaganda, without the intervention of God, is not going to go away. This stuff is being heaped into homes and our children's minds and taught in school. We are not to treat these people themselves any different than the way Jesus would treat them, with love and respect. But we are not to support their sinful actions and give verbal or written or some kind of action that displays our support of what they are doing. If directly asked, I imagine the appropriate response is to say that I do not support such things as I feel they are a sin before God (or something along those lines). That is not being hateful or disrespectful, but sharing an opinion that one has. Yet this kind of thing may in the future result in a criminal charge or perhaps in someone being fired from work.

I wish the world would work in the ideal way you described and that people would be open to Christians who are loving and kind toward all, even the enemies of God (as we once were). Yet the Satanic forces will likely not let that be. Just as it was in the early days when Christians were first persecuted, I believe unless God intervenes and saves us from such trials, we will also be looked at as outcasts who are a danger to society (and this largely because we do not support the actions of such good and upstanding people as homosexuals).
 

dhh712

Puritan Board Freshman
You guys can feel free to mock that if you want, but I am very happy to have such a life experience. I'm sorry it seems many of you are so easily hated by others. Have a good night all.
I am very glad you have had this experience and at this time I feel that many Christians who act in this way will get just this result, largely by God restraining our enemy's hearts. It is just not likely to last as the LGBTQ movement is infiltrated into every fiber of this country's being--it is already be compared to the human rights movement where people of different races were persecuted (I compared it to that myself when I was a transgender).

I can't imagine anyone who would state peacefully in their work that Asian Americans or some other race should be seen as a lower status than the other races and treated separately would not be fired from their work place (as this is of course wrong according to moral society and God's word as well). Yet this is the direction the LGBTQ movement is going: something declared as a sin against God is being forced by society to make everyone say it is good. It really is not too far off where if you were to say I do not support the LGBTQ movement and believe it is sinful in the eyes of God, you would very likely be terminated from where you work.
 

dhh712

Puritan Board Freshman
A trend that I've observed (and I think I'm not alone) is that people hate being told that they're wrong. But they hate nothing more than being told they're sinners in need of Christ.

The church is still going to have to tell them they're sinners. If they won't do that, then they shouldn't pretend to be loving.
That is where I was going with my post. Where I work no one has ever asked me what my view is on homosexuals. I treat them kindly and with respect as I try to do to everyone. But if I were to be directly asked, I would have to say that I do not support it and believe it is wrong in the eyes of God.

I think some people mistake being kind and respectful as *supporting* what someone is doing. I think this is where some Christians go wrong in that they feel they have to be mean to these people in order to *show* that they do not support what they are doing. I do not see that this is biblical. But there must come that dividing line. If in fact somewhere down the road a Bible-believing Christian is made to show in someway that they really do support what these people are doing and do not feel it is wrong, then they have to make that stand upon God's word and not the moral word of society.

(And I apologize for all the separate posts--if the mods want to combine them, that would be awesome. Each one was supposed to be the last--since I'm in a huge rush to get ready for the farmer's market tomorrow!-- and I kept finding more to reply to. And I noticed unlike another message board I frequent that I can't copy and paste quotes. I do know about the multi-quote thing, but as far as I am able to ascertain I would need to select all the posts before hand and my mind unfortunately is too scattered to do that, or like this I don't think I'm going to be replying anymore. So, sorry if that's a distraction. Definitely not intentional).
 

alexandermsmith

Puritan Board Junior
I have noticed at out church, nobody is talking about Covid, nobody's talking about the vaccine, nobody's wearing masks, and people are greeting each other with normal hugs and handshakes.

Most people listen to the mainstream news sources and obey health officials' recommendations, so I don't blame anyone for being cautious this past year, because that was what we were being instructed to do. But now that Covid seems to be coming to an end according to the officials above us, people are once again returning to what used to be normal.

It was strange, here in Florida I had friends at the beginning of Covid who were predicting mass church persecution, expecting the church to go underground, this being a sign of the end, etc. I chose not to believe it, and here we are, a year later, everything is normal again in the life of the church.

I can only speak of my situation here, and I sympathize with those who have it worse, but I am very proud of how the government and church handled all of this in our state. I have much to be thankful for being a Floridian. It is my hope that you all will prosper at this time as well.

If you think that "everything is normal again" in the church, that the church has not been impacted by what's happened over the year, that the church has conducted itself in a proper and Biblical manner in the past year, then I think you haven't been paying attention.

It's also worth bearing in mind that living in Florida you were most fortunate in having a Governor who did not react in the irrational and tyrannical manner that many other governors in the US did. The Lord was most merciful in this provision. Many, many Christians have been in circumstances significantly less favourable.
 

alexandermsmith

Puritan Board Junior
Alexander, when you write, "the same people" you are assuming something about others that you do not know. Unless we have intimate, first-hand knowledge of an individual we cannot be specific with our judgment. That is why this is a matter best left to the elders. As they attend to the those under their charge, hopefully they know and care enough about their flock to make the right decision as to how best to respond to those who are not attending worship.

This is based on observation. People who I have seen shake hands and drink from the common cup when nasty viruses have been circulating around our congregation, won't go near people now and remained at home until they were "vaccinated".
 

alexandermsmith

Puritan Board Junior
If you had followed the non MSM reports on this from the start, you might understand better.

The lab origin theory is finally starting to penetrate into the mainstream now, but over a year ago geneticists were saying this virus had HIV snips in it. Now it is being openly published finally.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...n-prove-covid-19-man-made-no-credible-natural ( from daily mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html)

Way back, even that liberal rag of the NY Times ran an story about the eerie parallels between HIV and COVID. Here is a link to an article that has a link ( https://www.zerohedge.com/political...use-depletion-important-immune-cells-ny-times)

As the mainstream media desperately plays catch-up, The New York Times released a piece yesterday called "How the Coronavirus Short-Circuits the Immune System" and said that "In a disturbing parallel to H.I.V., the coronavirus can cause a depletion of important immune cells, recent studies found."

"Now researchers have discovered yet another unpleasant surprise. In many patients hospitalized with the coronavirus, the immune system is threatened by a depletion of certain essential cells, suggesting eerie parallels with H.I.V.," the article says.

The assertions could explain why few kids get sick and why a "cocktail" of treatments may be needed to bring the coronavirus under control, similar to how H.I.V. is treated.


There were plenty of articles by doctors ( USA, Hong Kong, elsewhere) about HIV like lowering of white cells in the clinical results of their patients. I probably posted them here, don't feel like hunting up links now.

So tell me, why would anybody who is willing to risk colds and flus, like say me for example, want to risk getting an airborne HIV-ish virus, not knowing if it stays in you forever like chicken pox, or if the body clears it? Why would I want permanently lowered white blood cells?

"Even if covid is worse than flu, it's not so much worse to warrant such a response." False...if you knew the facts you would not say that. And nobody really knows the facts, because it takes 8-10 years for HIV to turn into AIDS and this virus has not been around that long. We do not know what happens eventually. Chicken pox becomes shingles. What does COVID become? We do not know.

Churches with people who refuse to wear masks because of "tyranny" and "freedom", but will go outside on a dark winter night, breath out a cloud of steam, and if you point out that cloud is lung aerosols and is significantly reduced by masks, they have NO answer but get annoyed and even contemptuous? Who wants to go to that? Why would anybody want to potentially lower white blood cells for the rest of your life? Why would a person not want to wait until this subject is clarified and studied and the facts are clear? I get that you think we should have all gone to church with anti maskers and gotten this potential AIDS-like lab created virus, but that isn't the point. The point is that this is NOT a cold or a flu. There is no hypocrisy in avoiding it.

I got it anyway from grandbaby, and even with all the things I've read about Ivermectin I never anticipated such an almost miraculous effect in 24 hours for d-i-l and me who have asthma. From painful lungs to normal in one day. The efficacy of Ivermectin is astonishing and life saving. I expected virally induced asthma, but never got it- praise be to God. By the way, when HIV was first discovered, one of the earliest treatments was Ivermectin ( cheap, and replaced with costly newer drugs). It didn't cure totally, but knocked virus levels way down. Hub and I plan to stay on it the rest of our lives, maybe every 2 weeks or month....trying to get more research information.

If you want to get people into church, telling them that there are treatment protocols that are effective is possibly the way to go, but until the AMA promotes them most will not consider them. Sending them links to all the excellent doctors and protocols is helpful if they are open. Criticizing them for what they consider to be wisdom and prudence is not helpful. Comparing COVID to the flu is false. Anyway, carry on.......

Masks don't stop aerosols spreading.

So after all that you got it anyway and you're fine now? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Btw, I don't think HIV can be cured by Ivermectin. If so it truly is a wonder drug.
 

alexandermsmith

Puritan Board Junior
A trend that I have noticed is that the people who generally get persecuted are the ones who stand in public places, who sound angry and even hateful at times, and are yelling out to people who are minding their own business, telling them that God is going to make homosexuals burn in fire. I can see why this would make people very upset.

Wasn't there a guy called Paul who stood in a public place and condemned the idolatry of those around him?
 

Jeri Tanner

Moderator
Staff member
I noticed unlike another message board I frequent that I can't copy and paste quotes. I do know about the multi-quote thing, but as far as I am able to ascertain I would need to select all the posts before hand and my mind unfortunately is too scattered to do that, or like this I don't think I'm going to be replying anymore.
Your various replies are fine, you’re not posting too much. But if you want to try the multi-quote: as you’re reading through a thread, just highlight a snippet you’d like to respond to and select “quote” from the box that will pop up. Then you can forget about it and continue reading; repeat the highlighting and selecting “quote” if you see other snippets you’d like to respond to. When you’re ready to post your reply, after you click or touch the box to start your post, the multi-quote box will pop up with all the snippets you highlighted. Choose ‘insert quotes’ (you might be prompted twice on this step) and they’ll all be pasted to your reply box with a space between them where you can respond to each. (Try not to click or touch, or backspace into, the pasted quotes, as your reply will then not be separate from the quote.)
 

alexandermsmith

Puritan Board Junior
Just wanted to respectfully point out that she did say that the Ivermectin did not cure HIV but it knocked the virus levels way down (just to clarify).

Fair enough. Although I can tell you that most people who have avoided church and "anti-maskers" are not thinking along the lines of Lynnie, re: what sort of virus this is, and they are quite convinced that so long as we follow "the rules" and dutifully receive the experimental "vaccine" then all will be well and everything can go back to normal. In other words, they are not thinking rationally about this situation and are content to follow the official guidelines. For example, church is safe if the Government tells us it is so.

And I would also assume that someone who thought covid was so serious as has been suggested, would not go anywhere near an experimental "vaccine" based on this virus. Nor would they think, surely, that a loose fitting, dirty mask is going to protect them. If covid is so very serious one wonders if it will ever be safe to return to church, or to attend any gathering of significant size, so long as this virus is present in our society?
 

lynnie

Puritan Board Graduate
Thank you Anne. Yes, that is correct.

Ivermectin is a wonder drug. Here is a link to its efficacy against many viruses. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z Some of this is humans, some in vitro, some animal. There are links out there about its use in the 1980s for HIV, but I don't feel like digging now. I am not posting this in regard to church fellowship, but more as a helpful suggestion if anybody here gets COVID and wants a treatment.

Alexander.....RNA viruses always over time get less lethal, and I don't know what the average person thinks but I am pretty sure their doctors and even the MSM hold out hope that within 2 or 3 years this would be over, like the 1918 spanish flu and other viral pandemics. That is a separate subject from " do we skip church for two years", but I think most people see it as temporary.

By the way, leprosy is transmitted by aerosols, not touch. God told lepers to cover their mouths. They probably had dirty and often loose coverings. Please do not insult God and the law of Moses.

Its about viral load. Some viruses get you from even a tiny exposure. Some you need a heavy exposure...small amounts help build immunity. My MD said that he didn't want me around the heavy load from an indoor setting with people singing unmasked, so I said OK. I still ran in for groceries where every shopper was masked and did fine, and I am sure I had some exposure. When I watched cute baby all day, snuggling and in his face, and that night he hit 104 degrees and tested positive the next day, well, my mistake I guess, but I had never worn a mask around him before. Anyway its over now. Get some Ivermectin; you won't want to go out if you wake up with this virus.

One general observation, not addressed to you.....I've seen posts here that sound like people equate "fellowship" exclusively with Sunday morning. That may be important, but it isn't all. Try visiting somebody, or calling an older person isolating to ask if you can get them anything from the store. Try writing a nice card to people not coming to church. Have somebody over for dinner if they are willing ( if you go maskless, they may not want to, but offer. ) Try thinking about the one sheep not at the meeting instead of just focusing on the 99 Sunday morning. Fellowship in the book of Acts was in the Temple courts and in big gatherings, but also daily in homes. People who are upset might find some help in more one on one outreach and ministry type activities.

Hope this is over soon.
 

De Jager

Puritan Board Sophomore
Thank you Anne. Yes, that is correct.

Ivermectin is a wonder drug. Here is a link to its efficacy against many viruses. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z Some of this is humans, some in vitro, some animal. There are links out there about its use in the 1980s for HIV, but I don't feel like digging now. I am not posting this in regard to church fellowship, but more as a helpful suggestion if anybody here gets COVID and wants a treatment.

Alexander.....RNA viruses always over time get less lethal, and I don't know what the average person thinks but I am pretty sure their doctors and even the MSM hold out hope that within 2 or 3 years this would be over, like the 1918 spanish flu and other viral pandemics. That is a separate subject from " do we skip church for two years", but I think most people see it as temporary.

By the way, leprosy is transmitted by aerosols, not touch. God told lepers to cover their mouths. They probably had dirty and often loose coverings. Please do not insult God and the law of Moses.

Its about viral load. Some viruses get you from even a tiny exposure. Some you need a heavy exposure...small amounts help build immunity. My MD said that he didn't want me around the heavy load from an indoor setting with people singing unmasked, so I said OK. I still ran in for groceries where every shopper was masked and did fine, and I am sure I had some exposure. When I watched cute baby all day, snuggling and in his face, and that night he hit 104 degrees and tested positive the next day, well, my mistake I guess, but I had never worn a mask around him before. Anyway its over now. Get some Ivermectin; you won't want to go out if you wake up with this virus.

One general observation, not addressed to you.....I've seen posts here that sound like people equate "fellowship" exclusively with Sunday morning. That may be important, but it isn't all. Try visiting somebody, or calling an older person isolating to ask if you can get them anything from the store. Try writing a nice card to people not coming to church. Have somebody over for dinner if they are willing ( if you go maskless, they may not want to, but offer. ) Try thinking about the one sheep not at the meeting instead of just focusing on the 99 Sunday morning. Fellowship in the book of Acts was in the Temple courts and in big gatherings, but also daily in homes. People who are upset might find some help in more one on one outreach and ministry type activities.

Hope this is over soon.

Let us all recognize that God required the symptomatic to take precautions, not those who have absolutely no symptoms of a disease.

That's a pretty major difference between how things were done then, and how things are done now. Our contemporary response (everyone could be a "carrier") is a response devoid of faith in God and is based in the fear of death. Therefore, it is by definition unwise and unbalanced. Only a Christian can truly be balanced in this regard. If it is true that "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom", then it is a given that a response to a worldwide pandemic that does not consider what God has to say is a response that will not be as wise as it could be. This is where we are.
 

alexandermsmith

Puritan Board Junior
Thank you Anne. Yes, that is correct.

Ivermectin is a wonder drug. Here is a link to its efficacy against many viruses. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z Some of this is humans, some in vitro, some animal. There are links out there about its use in the 1980s for HIV, but I don't feel like digging now. I am not posting this in regard to church fellowship, but more as a helpful suggestion if anybody here gets COVID and wants a treatment.

I'm not disputing the effectiveness of Ivermectin in treating covid. I'm very much aware of the concerted effort to suppress the drug because there is no money to be made from it.

Alexander.....RNA viruses always over time get less lethal, and I don't know what the average person thinks but I am pretty sure their doctors and even the MSM hold out hope that within 2 or 3 years this would be over, like the 1918 spanish flu and other viral pandemics. That is a separate subject from " do we skip church for two years", but I think most people see it as temporary.

I think staying away from church for two years is a little more serious than a "temporary measure". And it's certainly not the historical practice of the church in the face of disease. It certainly wasn't the response of the church as a whole to the spanish flu pandemic.

By the way, leprosy is transmitted by aerosols, not touch. God told lepers to cover their mouths. They probably had dirty and often loose coverings. Please do not insult God and the law of Moses.

Lepers were also to be segregated from the community and were to make their presence known when out and about so that people could remove themselves from close proximity. They weren't sitting in the public assembly with mere 2m distancing wearing their face coverings. Yet this is is what you want me to do when I have no symptoms of covid. These are not the same scenarios. Quarantining sick individuals is Biblical; quarantining healthy individuals and requiring them to observe these ridiculous restrictions and instrusions into their personal liberty is absolutely not. Please do not think yourself wiser than God.

One general observation, not addressed to you.....I've seen posts here that sound like people equate "fellowship" exclusively with Sunday morning. That may be important, but it isn't all. Try visiting somebody, or calling an older person isolating to ask if you can get them anything from the store. Try writing a nice card to people not coming to church. Have somebody over for dinner if they are willing ( if you go maskless, they may not want to, but offer. ) Try thinking about the one sheep not at the meeting instead of just focusing on the 99 Sunday morning. Fellowship in the book of Acts was in the Temple courts and in big gatherings, but also daily in homes. People who are upset might find some help in more one on one outreach and ministry type activities.

Hope this is over soon.

I agree public worship on Sabbath is not the only fellowship of the church (though it is the most important and the one most cherished by the Lord) but we didn't have any of the personal fellowship from our ministers and elders during the pandemic either. So much for visiting the sick, which is a duty placed particularly on the elders and minister.

The fact remains that the church has faced far, far more serious pandemics in history and yet the response of many within the visible church was very different to what we have seen in the last year.
 

RobertPGH1981

Puritan Board Sophomore
The real question, and it is a big one is whether churches will segregate their people based on vaccination status. I hear that in some states, churches are being told that vaccinated people do not have to wear a mask while unvaccinated do. Vaccinated people (unmasked) can sit in one area, while unvaccinated people (masked) have to sit in a different area, with different capacity limits in each area. Thus, at the door of the church we would have screening of vaccination status, and a segregation based on that.

The CDC says those vaccinated don't need to wear a mask. Many companies and churches are not asking anybody this question and some at most are posting a sign on their building. In my opinion asking somebody a health question like this is overstepping personal rights to privacy. Some attorney's stated that this doesn't violate privacy. In a sense its a choice a company will need to make which could hurt its bottom line.

Ultimately, where would these questions end if you open the door to something like this?
 
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