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Wonderful. Next question: In the WLC 31, if the covenant is made with Christ and the elect, how do non-elect covenant children fit in?
(I'm asking this question primarily to Westminster/Heidelberg adherents, not Baptist adherents. Thanks in advance for understanding.)
Wonderful. Next question: In the WLC 31, if the covenant is made with Christ and the elect, how do non-elect covenant children fit in?
(I'm asking this question primarily to Westminster/Heidelberg adherents, not Baptist adherents. Thanks in advance for understanding.)
Wonderful answer. Thank you.
So is the difference between the covenant of grace and the covenant of redemption simply with whom the covenant is made (the former between the Father and the church, the second with the Father and the Son)?
Wonderful answer. Thank you.
So is the difference between the covenant of grace and the covenant of redemption simply with whom the covenant is made (the former between the Father and the church, the second with the Father and the Son)?
Westminster Larger Catechism, Question and Answer 31:
Q. With whom was the covenant of grace made?
A. The covenant of grace was made with Christ as the second Adam, and in him with all the elect as his seed
Westminster Larger Catechism, Question and Answer 57:
Q. What benefits hath Christ procured by his mediation?
A. Christ, by his mediation, hath procured redemption, with all other benefits of the covenant of grace.
Westminster Larger Catechism, Question and Answer 64:
Q. 64. What is the invisible church?
A. The invisible church is the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one under Christ the head.
Westminster Larger Catechism, Question and Answer 63:
Q. What are the special privileges of the visible church?
A. The visible church hath the privilege of being under God’s special care and government; of being protected and preserved in all ages, notwithstanding the opposition of all enemies; and of enjoying the communion of saints, the ordinary means of salvation, and offers of grace by Christ to all the members of it in the ministry of the gospel, testifying, that whosoever believes in him shall be saved, and excluding none that will come unto him.
Westminster Larger Catechism
Bruce, Richard and Carolann,
Thanks for your replies. I really appreciate it.
I was reading Charles Hodge's Systematic Theology over the weekend. He made a really interesting point that I think is helpful. I'm still studying it, but for the salke of this conversation I would like to use his argument. Of course, I would encourage anyone to read it to make sure I didn't misinterpret it. (Systematic Theology, bk. 3, ch. 2 section 3)
The thrust of his argument is that since Christ is the Mediator of the covenant of grace (Hebrew. 8:6), the covenant of grace is not rightly said to include Christ as one of the parties since He is the Mediator between the two parties. Hodge concludes that the WLC mixed both the covenant of grace and the covenant of redemption since it was the covenant of redemption that was actually made with Christ.
I'm not at all suggesting that WLC is incorrect in the main point, but perhaps it is more of a synthesis rather than a concise definition of the covenant of grace itself.
Further, what initially confused me about WLC 31 is it seemed to suggest a covenant of grace relationship with the elect in eternity. Certainly this is true concerning the covenant of redemption, but the covenant of grace occurs in time as does our justification, correct? If indeed WLC 31 is a synthesis of these two covenants, that would resolve my confusion in the wording of the Q&A.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
What appears to be two covenants in theory are actually one covenant in operation. If the covenant of grace were distinct it would mean that the "conditions" functioned as the working cause of the promised benefits. This would make the gospel a "new law" (neonomianism) with faith, repentance, obedience and perseverance serving as the believer's claim to the benefit of salvation. Where redemption and grace are regarded as one covenant, as in the Catechism and the Marrow, the merit of Christ underwrites the conditions to the elect, thus making the promises unconditional in nature with the conditions serving as bequeathed gifts. The older writers who advocated a covenant of redemption usually made this particular qualification so as to guard against the idea of working conditions in the covenant of grace.
This may be an ignorant question, but can't we say that faith (a gift from God as its author) is the instrumental means which God uses to actually redeem the elect and work out the plan of redemption? Certainly we are not redeemed prior to faith, correct? What is the proper place for faith in this conversation?