Pilgrim
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That is, unless they were converted under non-Calvinist ministry first. Those who were converted and then "converted" to Calvinism will be ultimately judged for teaching heresy and maligning God. That's the gist of a Q & A in this month's Berean Call, portions of which I post below.
Here's the conclusion to Hunt's lengthy answer:
No wonder Hunt is now PNG with all major Christian publishers, considering this reasoning. I don't think any of the most vociferous critics of Calvinism among the SBC leadership would countenance this. It's something you'd expect to see from some of the most extreme participants in the Baptist Fire forum. The only thing that keeps Hunt from being 4 point Arminianism's answer to Outside the Camp is that he hasn't yet said that anyone who thinks that Calvinists are saved are also damned. But given OSAS, that wouldn't be possible, so I would submit that Hunt's position is about as extreme as it could possibly be considering his theological framework.
I suppose those who walk the aisle, "accept" Christ" and then later join the Church of Satan will also be saved, but simply judged for their apostasy and blasphemy. That's the logical conclusion of Hunt's thought here.
Question for the board: Has Hunt been saying this all along, that Calvinists aren't saved? Once he loosed his first nonsensical broadside against Calvinism in the Berean Call about 4 years ago("What A Soveriegn God Cannot Do"), I quit paying attention. Just by reading this, it's clear that James White is right on the money in saying that Hunt doesn't understand Calvinism at all and is attacking a Hyper-Calvinist straw man. Has he even read the WCF? It's this kind of thinking that leads him to argue that Spurgeon wasn't a Calvinist
BTW I was actually converted from blasphemy and denying the deity of Christ by reading a couple of Hunt's books on occultism and Romanism. God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.....
After years of studying and agonizing, the young Spurgeon was finally converted in a Primitive Methodist chapel, being exhorted by a lay preacher to "look and live!". He went back the next week and heard a message arguing the wrong view of Romans 7 and decided he couldn't go back.
This month's issue has prompted me to finally cancel my subscription to the Berean Call. They do still offer helpful critiques of seeker sensitive/Purpose Driven ministry, psychology, occult/New Age influence in the church, ECT, etc, when they find time to get off their Calvinist-bashing hobby horse, but better and more thorough critiques can be had elsewhere. Actually my cancellation helps them since they send the newsletter out free of charge.
Question: In the July '05 Letters section, "TF of Ireland," a self-proclaimed "Calvinist," acknowledged that Tom and Dave are saved. Is it possible for someone who believes only in the soteriology of Calvin to be saved?
Specifically, that God has to first change a person's heart. Then ... with the gift of grace, faith and salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9, man afterwards, by God's decree, will come to Him (John 6:37), and fulfill God's requirement for him to believe and repent. Again, assuming that the fruits and works that follow are genuine, could this soteriology allow for salvation, apart from attributing any part of it to man's free will (John 1:12-13)? Can you extend a statement of being a fellow believer to TF (and other Calvinists) as he has to you?
Here's the conclusion to Hunt's lengthy answer:
Could someone who believes this false gospel of Calvinism be truly saved? Fortunately, many Calvinists (you among them) were saved before becoming Calvinists. They now malign God by saying that He is pleased to damn multitudes though He could save all--and that He predestines multitudes to the Lake of Fire before they are even born. But having believed the gospel before becoming Calvinists, they "shall not come into condemnation, but [have] passed from death unto life" (Jn 5:24). Those who only know the false gospel of Calvinism are not saved, while those who are saved and ought to know better but teach these heresies will be judged for doing so.
No wonder Hunt is now PNG with all major Christian publishers, considering this reasoning. I don't think any of the most vociferous critics of Calvinism among the SBC leadership would countenance this. It's something you'd expect to see from some of the most extreme participants in the Baptist Fire forum. The only thing that keeps Hunt from being 4 point Arminianism's answer to Outside the Camp is that he hasn't yet said that anyone who thinks that Calvinists are saved are also damned. But given OSAS, that wouldn't be possible, so I would submit that Hunt's position is about as extreme as it could possibly be considering his theological framework.
I suppose those who walk the aisle, "accept" Christ" and then later join the Church of Satan will also be saved, but simply judged for their apostasy and blasphemy. That's the logical conclusion of Hunt's thought here.
Question for the board: Has Hunt been saying this all along, that Calvinists aren't saved? Once he loosed his first nonsensical broadside against Calvinism in the Berean Call about 4 years ago("What A Soveriegn God Cannot Do"), I quit paying attention. Just by reading this, it's clear that James White is right on the money in saying that Hunt doesn't understand Calvinism at all and is attacking a Hyper-Calvinist straw man. Has he even read the WCF? It's this kind of thinking that leads him to argue that Spurgeon wasn't a Calvinist
BTW I was actually converted from blasphemy and denying the deity of Christ by reading a couple of Hunt's books on occultism and Romanism. God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.....
After years of studying and agonizing, the young Spurgeon was finally converted in a Primitive Methodist chapel, being exhorted by a lay preacher to "look and live!". He went back the next week and heard a message arguing the wrong view of Romans 7 and decided he couldn't go back.
This month's issue has prompted me to finally cancel my subscription to the Berean Call. They do still offer helpful critiques of seeker sensitive/Purpose Driven ministry, psychology, occult/New Age influence in the church, ECT, etc, when they find time to get off their Calvinist-bashing hobby horse, but better and more thorough critiques can be had elsewhere. Actually my cancellation helps them since they send the newsletter out free of charge.