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Originally posted by Denny
Between Josh McDowell,the Bible Answer Man,and Lee Strobel, do we have to prove anything to the lost,does faith need proof in order to be effective?
Originally posted by Denny
Between Josh McDowell,the Bible Answer Man,and Lee Strobel, do we have to prove anything to the lost,does faith need proof in order to be effective?
Originally posted by Denny
Between Josh McDowell,the Bible Answer Man,and Lee Strobel, do we have to prove anything to the lost,does faith need proof in order to be effective?
Originally posted by Denny
Between Josh McDowell,the Bible Answer Man,and Lee Strobel, do we have to prove anything to the lost,does faith need proof in order to be effective?
Acts 1:3 To these He also presented Himself alive, after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days, and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.
Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
The almost one million jews who died in A.D. 70 saw Christ crucified and knew of the resurrection; that didn't change anything for them. Evidence doesn't matter, a regenerate heart does.
Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
Do we "have to" prove anything? (as the thread states)
No.
Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
The almost one million jews who died in A.D. 70 saw Christ crucified and knew of the resurrection; that didn't change anything for them. Evidence doesn't matter, a regenerate heart does.
Originally posted by Me Died Blue
Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
Do we "have to" prove anything? (as the thread states)
No.
As I explain in my post above, the question of whether we "have to" prove the Christian worldview in order for the Gospel to succesfully be used to regenerate hearts is a distinctly different question from that of whether we are nonetheless commanded to prove anything. With regard to the question of whether we have to prove anything in the former sense, we are of course fully agreed, and answer it in the negative; furthemore, I believe that the question of whether we have to prove anything in the latter sense is answered in the affirmative by 1 Peter 3:15 - do you agree?
Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
I guess you missed my point. The evidence before their eyes - and their subsequent lack of repentance and belief - shows that evidence doesn't matter. All that matters, essentially, is God giving someone a new heart.
Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Originally posted by JohnV
We have different ways to say the same thing, and helps me, as well as each of us, to understand the whole better.
Yes, converting the heart is the Spirit's work. It is not a failing on our part if we do present the evidences but the unbeliever does not believe them. It is our failing, though, if we do not present the evidences as we should, perhaps causing a stumbling block for the unbeliever.
So the key word in the original question, I guess, is effective. We agree that faith has its proofs, and we all agree that faith is effective, and we all agree that sometimes proofs aren't effective, in that they alone do not achieve the desired ends. And we all agree that if the gospel is believed, it is because the Spirit has used various proofs.
Originally posted by JohnV
It seems to me, then, that the question that remains is whether we are to rely on proofs anyways, and if so, how the proofs are to be used by us in apologetics or evengelism in order to be effective, as far as it is up to us?
Originally posted by DennyBetween Josh McDowell,the Bible Answer Man,and Lee Strobel, do we have to prove anything to the lost,
Originally posted by Dennydoes faith need proof in order to be effective?