Reluctantly Reforming
Puritan Board Freshman
Y'all have it wrong. David Hasselhoff is the antichrist.
David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist
Theognome
The site's exegesis is impressive. I may have to rethink my eschatology.
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Y'all have it wrong. David Hasselhoff is the antichrist.
David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist
Theognome
that's a whole other ... maybe tomorrow I can write a s/o thread about it... for now if you just wikki him... it's enough to give you the creeps
So are the confessions then wrong?
I need to ask again, "Are the present Confessions wrong in this area?" and if you thank that they are, can you be "Confessional?"
All those who are responding "no" or "I don't know" that hold elder positions, have you voiced this area of disagreement with the Confession?
Are any revisions acceptable? What if a large group of Brazilians got together and revised the WCF further and removed the affirmation of the doctrines of grace? Would we consider them truly confessional? It may be said that eschatology is not as central as the doctrines of grace but eschatology was central enough for the divines to include it in their confession. How can we change their confession and still say we truly adhere to the confession?
The Confession wasn't written with the idea that it could or should never be changed. The document itself admits to its fallibility.
20 The Identification of the Man of Sin
Rev. Ken Gentry . . .
I voted for the third option only because 2 Thessalonians 2 does not speak of the Antichrist but rather the "man of sin (lawless one)". In other words one has to assume that he should be identified as or be equal to the Antichrist (1 John 2,4; 2 John 7) which is not readily apparent.
And, for the record, no I do not believe that the pope and/or papacy is the Antichrist.
20 The Identification of the Man of Sin
Rev. Ken Gentry . . .
Ken Gentry is the antichrist?!?
I had been leaning towards Obama, Bill Maher, Joel Osteen, or even N. Carpathia. Thanks for the tip.
I need to ask again, "Are the present Confessions wrong in this area?" and if you thank that they are, can you be "Confessional?"
All those who are responding "no" or "I don't know" that hold elder positions, have you voiced this area of disagreement with the Confession?
the Papacy is not the anti Christ because the Papacy does not deny that Jesus came in the flesh as per the definition of Anti Christ found in the epistle of John.
Probably worth pointing out that the Pope claims all the offices of the Trinity:
Good Shepherd - God the Son
Holy Father - God the Father
Vicar of Christ - God the Holy Spirit
I believe that Nero was the Anti-Christ.
The Man of Sin sitting in God's temple is best seen as the Confession says in the Papacy, which over many centuries has done far more damage to people's souls than Nero's short persecution or any blatant statist persecution could do to the bodies of believers and unbelievers.
Probably worth pointing out that the Pope claims all the offices of the Trinity:
Good Shepherd - God the Son
Holy Father - God the Father
Vicar of Christ - God the Holy Spirit
Question: Where does the Pope call himself the "good shepherd"? I'm not disputing that, I'd just like to be able to reference it!
the Papacy is not the anti Christ because the Papacy does not deny that Jesus came in the flesh as per the definition of Anti Christ found in the epistle of John.
I think this an entirely valid question. But if the pope is "the" anti-Christ, shouldn't we have had some major eschatological consequences by this point in history?
Quote from Berean
Good point. And not just 'the pope' but the agents of the pope throughout the world.
Well "the Papacy" is the whole man-made idolatrous sytem headed up by the Pope that dominates the Roman Catholic Church, and hence sits enthroned in God's Visible Church.
Because I believe the Papacy to be the Antichrist, does not mean that I always believe it to be the main enemy in a particular situation or country. The antichrists of Liberal theology, neo-Evangelicalism, Emerging, etc, are greater threats to the Protestant Church in Britain. Secular humanism and Islam are also external threats greater than the Antichrist that is the Papacy.
To say that these are "threats" is to make a great understatement of course.
The Protestant Church in Great Britain has been mauled terribly by secular humanism and Liberal theology over the past 150 years and left a shadow of her former self; not by Romanism.
I agree with much of what you said, but I do think it would be important to note that a great portion of liberal theology and humanism that has effected protestantism has as its birthplace Rome. We would be wise to never underestimate the Popes army of Jesuits, and their age old conspiracy called the counter-reformation. This is not a wing-nut conspiracy theory either.. the Jesuits have declared war on the reformation, and this war continues to this day.
I agree with much of what you said, but I do think it would be important to note that a great portion of liberal theology and humanism that has effected protestantism has as its birthplace Rome. We would be wise to never underestimate the Popes army of Jesuits, and their age old conspiracy called the counter-reformation. This is not a wing-nut conspiracy theory either.. the Jesuits have declared war on the reformation, and this war continues to this day.
Indeed, even Arminianism and its pretension of free will is in principle a return to Rome.
We have planted that soveraigne drugge Arminianisme
Add those sentiments to this Jesuit document of 1628:
"Father Rector, let not the damp of astonishment seize upon your ardent and zealous soul, in apprehending the sodaine and unexpected calling of a Parliament. We have now many strings to our bow. We have planted that soveraigne drugge Arminianisme, which we hope will purge the Protestants from their heresie; and it flourisheth and beares fruit in due season. For the better prevention of the Puritanes, the Arminians have already locked up the Duke's (of Buckingham) eares; and we have those of our owne religion, which stand continually at the Duke's chamber, to see who goes in and out: we cannot be too circumspect and carefull in this regard. I am, at this time, transported with joy, to see how happily all instruments and means, as well great as lesser, co-operate unto our purposes. But, to return unto the maine fabricke:--OUR FOUNDATION IS ARMINIANISME."
Interesting stuff if you ask me