Puritan Board Freshman
How do we love our brothers in Christ, but just dislike them?
Blame the democrats. No, actually the republicans. Wait, maybe both.I make it a point to dislike any and all pastors who spoke publicly denouncing Trump. Their denunciations were lop-sided and they said little about the other side. We can blame them for the growing disaster our country is now facing.
Here is love-- that willing objective good to which you refer:Classical theology defines love as willing the objective good towards a person. I can find fault with his ethics, politics, and theology while still hoping for the objective good.
Here is love-- that willing objective good to which you refer:
1 Cor 13.4-8
4 Love is patient, love is kind, is not jealous, does not brag, is not puffed up;
5 t does not act unbecomingly, does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered;
6 it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
7it bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails...
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth:...
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends...
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails...
4 Love is patient, love is kind. Love does not envy, is not boastful, is not arrogant,
5 is not rude, is not self-seeking, is not irritable, and does not keep a record of wrongs.
6 Love finds no joy in unrighteousness but rejoices in the truth.
7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends...
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud
5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.
6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.
7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
8...Love will last forever!
And in this soy age, we must resist the temptation to acquiesce and call every valid criticism attack. It’s true we should take great care to season our words with charity, but sometimes that means a dispassionate objective take that cannot have care bear positivity with it.All of which I have done towards Piper. For example, people in my church like Piper's stuff. Except for his sermons on Romans 9, I think he is overrated, yet I don't attack him in front of people at my church.
Well said. I think we must also be willing to evaluate criticisms from different viewpoints to our own. Our emotions are unreliable.And in this soy age, we must resist the temptation to acquiesce and call every valid criticism attack. It’s true we should take great care to season our words with charity, but sometimes that means a dispassionate objective take that cannot have care bear positivity with it.
Josh, your eloquence is uncanny, for lack of a better term.And in this soy age, we must resist the temptation to acquiesce and call every valid criticism attack. It’s true we should take great care to season our words with charity, but sometimes that means a dispassionate objective take that cannot have care bear positivity with it.
When he said that Trump’s (metaphorical) “killing” (with his mean tweets) was worse than the (real) killing taking place in abortion… I about threw away all his books.
Can you link this quote for me please? I can't seem to find anything about him saying that mean tweets are worse than abortion, this is serious.
Anyway… ANYONE who can consider the 63,000,000+ abortions that have taken place since Roe v Wade and say that Trump’s behavior is worse, and an even greater “killer”… whoever says that is a moron and not to be taken seriously.
??? Are you blind? I referenced the sentence. And please spare me the pedantic and Pharisaic quibbling.It's important to be accurate and truthful and not devolve into mischaracterization. The article referred to is found here.
Nothing is ever said about mean tweets. Nothing is ever said about it being "worse".
Piper says "When a leader models self-absorbed, self-exalting boastfulness, he models the most deadly behavior in the world. He points his nation to destruction...It is naive to think that a man can be effectively pro-life and manifest consistently the character traits that lead to death---temporal and eternal...Jesus set me at odds with death---death by abortion and death by arrogance."
Piper clearly condemns both abortion and other sins. His point is that Christians should be consistent: they should not excuse or justify one set of sins (unrepentant sexual immorality, boastfulness, vulgarity, factiousness, etc.) simply because they believe that abortions are the greater sin. Both should be condemned. The ends should not justify the means. To do otherwise undermines the message we preach.
I don't care to defend Piper but I do care to defend truthfulness. After reading the actual article I don't see how the first quoted sentence is a truthful statement at all. Disagree with him but I exhort us all to do it without resorting to untruthful rhetoric.
Piper never said that in the only article you've cited...although he did note that such behavior does indeed lead to death (spiritual) as well. Can we deny that, based on Scripture?
Some of you are so eager to support this judgmentally challenged old man that you intentionally overlook what he’s saying.