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Originally posted by Draught Horse
I have also listened to his debate with an Arminian, Feminist liberal who hates Calvinism (e.g. you guys) with all her heart. Its worth listening to. You get to see how evil some liberals are. So, do we join up with the Christ-haters against Wilson? I know many have problems with his theological formulations; that's fine.
[Edited on 9--19-06 by Draught Horse]
Doug Wilson and slavery
Southern Slavery: As it Was, a booklet defending slavery as biblically viable, has roused considerable controversy since its release in 1996. Critics of co-authors Douglas Wilson and Steve Wilkins have added to their content-driven charges of racism and shoddy history one more accusation: plagiarism.
The text failed 24 times to attribute word-for-word quotations pulled from the 1974 book Time on the Cross: The Economics of American Negro Slavery by Robert William Fogel and Stanley L. Engerman. University of Washington history professor Tracie McKenzie, who attends a Seattle-area church connected to Mr. Wilson´s Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, easily recognized the stolen sections because he teaches on the work of Mr. Fogel and Mr. Engerman.
Concerned with both plagiarism and the content of Southern Slavery, Mr. McKenzie drafted a response pointing out what he saw as poor historical conclusions and detailing the plagiarized sections.
After reviewing Mr. McKenzie´s document, Mr. Wilson pulled Southern Slavery from the shelves in 2003 with the intent of correcting attribution oversights for a second edition. Now set for publication in the coming months under the title Black and Tan, the 150-page new edition reduces Southern Slavery to a single chapter and adds other essays on slavery, culture war, and Scripture in America. Mr. Wilson told WORLD the original thesis that slavery wasn´t bad enough to justify violent abolitionism remains prominent.
The absence of plagiarism may not quiet opposition. University of Idaho philosophy professor Nick Gier collected the endorsements of 45 local academics for a widely circulated flier condemning the plagiarism. Steve Wilkins, pastor of Auburn Avenue Presbyterian Church in Monroe, La., admits to authoring every plagiarized section: "œIt wasn´t [Mr. Wilson´s] doing. It was my fault, not his fault."
Nevertheless, Mr. Wilson, who edited the booklet, has taken the brunt of the criticism. The charges fuel an ongoing spat between Christ Church and the Moscow community, a quarrel to which Mr. Wilson admits his blunt style has contributed, but one he blames more heavily on community intolerance: "œThis is the first issue where we deserve the lump on our head. There´s no question it was wrong and inappropriate."
Canon Press, a ministry of Christ Church and publisher of Southern Slavery, issued a letter of apology to the publisher of Time on the Cross, and no legal action appears imminent.
"”Mark Bergin http://www.worldmag.com/articles/10576
I notice that the conflict seems (judging only by the video and critical websites I've seen) to center around power and not the cross. It's too bad that Wilson's congregation seems to be known in Moscow for trying to "take over" or "take back," more than for preaching Christ and him crucified.
Their doctrine of baptismal benefits fuels their vision of Christendom restored.
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Has anybody listened to the Keely debate? Frankly, it was awesome. You got to see him debate a liberal feminazi and hear savage Christ-haters call in. Bahnsen would have been proud with Wilson's response.
Sometimes I think we Reformed folk could use a good challenge in actually getting down and dirty contending for the faith.
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Has anybody listened to the Keely debate? ... Bahnsen would have been proud with Wilson's response.
Sometimes I think we Reformed folk could use a good challenge in actually getting down and dirty contending for the faith. Like face-to-face combat. Yeah, its easy in the safe confines of message boards (and I single no man out here; I speak to myself primarily) but its quite exhilariting to go forth in public (I went toe-to-toe with Mormons this summer; a lot of fun).
The first rule of Christian apologetics (Biblically) is humility --- as we are ambassadors of the character of Christ. (An old apologetics teacher, Dr. Walter Martin used to say: "never win the argument in favor of losing the soul.")
Originally posted by Magma2
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Has anybody listened to the Keely debate? Frankly, it was awesome. You got to see him debate a liberal feminazi and hear savage Christ-haters call in. Bahnsen would have been proud with Wilson's response.
Sometimes I think we Reformed folk could use a good challenge in actually getting down and dirty contending for the faith.
Which faith is that? Wilson's faith or the Christian one?
Originally posted by Magma2
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Has anybody listened to the Keely debate? Frankly, it was awesome. You got to see him debate a liberal feminazi and hear savage Christ-haters call in. Bahnsen would have been proud with Wilson's response.
Sometimes I think we Reformed folk could use a good challenge in actually getting down and dirty contending for the faith.
Which faith is that? Wilson's faith or the Christian one?
Originally posted by turmeric
Maybe it's time to get off the board for a little while.
Good post, Jacob. Glad you're back!
Originally posted by turmeric
A little missionary-work would do a lot of us some good! We might be humbled a bit.
I was saying that its high-time thunderpuppies get off the internet and engage in evangelism/debate with flesh and blood liberals and enemies of the faith. Like be brave and stuff. Its really easy to be bold in the confines of PB; its a little different on the streets.
But if Bahnsen would be proud of a heretic like Wilson, then I guess that says something about Bahnsen . . .and, I suppose, you.