ELCA votes 559-451 to allow gay pastors
- Thread starter Berean
- Start date
- Status
toddpedlar
Iron Dramatist
Frankly I'm surprised it was that close...
Rich Koster
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
Don't ask, don't tell, who voted them in......
jawyman
Puritan Board Junior
It is such a shame to hear this. It is not surprising, but a shame none the less. I pray for all those member who are so trapped by Satan, Modernism, and Liberalism. I ask for prayers for those saints that may be in this organization. I will call ELCA and organization, because biblical it has ceased to be a church. May the light of the Truth guide them back to the Lord and may they see Him in His Glory exercising His Sovereignty. Again, I am not surprised, but heart-broken none the less.
Calvinist Cowboy
Puritan Board Junior
Sad day. 
awretchsavedbygrace
Puritan Board Sophomore
The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths” (2 Timothy 4:3-4).
Backwoods Presbyterian
Puritanboard Amanuensis
Or defection to the LCMS.
Reformed Thomist
Puritan Board Sophomore
Yep. Here we go again.
Sven
Puritan Board Sophomore
I'm with Carl Trueman and others on this one. The homosexual issue isn't the big one. There are, no doubt, many who might leave the ELCA over this issue, but why weren't these people willing to leave when the ELCA began to waver in the more important doctrines? Why is it never a big issue when Churches begin to teach that the Word of God isn't innerrant or totally inspired? Why are people willing to tolerate theological heresies, but will hit the road when the gay issue comes around? I'm not at all surprised by what transpired this week in the ELCA. They gave up the historic Christian faith a while ago; no wonder they're ordaining homosexuals.
-----Added 8/21/2009 at 09:48:01 EST-----
Those in the ELCA will never defect to the LCMS. The ELCA came out of the LCMS back in the 70's.
This wikipedia article (take it with a grain of salt, or more it is wikipedia after all) has some of the details:
Seminex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
-----Added 8/21/2009 at 09:48:01 EST-----
Those in the ELCA will never defect to the LCMS. The ELCA came out of the LCMS back in the 70's.
This wikipedia article (take it with a grain of salt, or more it is wikipedia after all) has some of the details:
Seminex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reformed Thomist
Puritan Board Sophomore
Inerrancy is, like, so 80 years ago...
But yeah, it is kind of strange. "To reject the deity of Jesus is one thing, but letting the gays be pastors, now that's where I draw the line!"
Sven
Puritan Board Sophomore
Innerrancy is like so today. I wish it wasn't so, but unfortunately the issue hasn't been settled despite the scholarship that has been done. Think it ain't so? Then why all the books lately that have come out on the market regarding this issue?
Backwoods Presbyterian
Puritanboard Amanuensis
Sven
Puritan Board Sophomore
You may be on to something. Let me get my canopener out.
Marrow Man
Drunk with Powder
Yep, I'm with you guys. This is very bad, but it's only the latest symptom of a terminal disease.
PilgrimPastor
Puritan Board Freshman
Perhaps a conservative resurgence is in their future; likely the distant future.
-----Added 8/21/2009 at 11:01:56 EST-----
No doubt you are on to something.
-----Added 8/21/2009 at 11:01:56 EST-----
No doubt you are on to something.
Mark Hettler
Puritan Board Freshman
Not true. The group that came out of the LCMS joined with two other, larger bodies to form the ELCA. The largest of these was the LCA (Lutheran Church in America), the denomination I grew up in back in the 50's and 60's. It never had ties to the LCMS as far as I know. (But I agree that it's unlikely that anyone from the ELCA will defect to the LCMS.)
Baptist-1689er
Puritan Board Freshman
DMcFadden
Puritanboard Commissioner
No, homosexuality is not THE issue. However, it affords a presenting cause or focus for attention. For many, theological drift is like the frog in the kettle, too gradual to be noticed and acted upon soon enough. When there is something like this, it shocks people into realizing how far they have come.
Ironically, back in the 70s when my Sys Theo prof was publishing books promoting "women in ministry" with a hermeneutic that "Paul was wrong but that's OK," I got into my share of arguments with folks by saying that such an approach to the Bible would eventually lead to a justification of homosexuality.
This one has hit all of the seven mainline denoms quicker than I could have imagined back then!
Ironically, back in the 70s when my Sys Theo prof was publishing books promoting "women in ministry" with a hermeneutic that "Paul was wrong but that's OK," I got into my share of arguments with folks by saying that such an approach to the Bible would eventually lead to a justification of homosexuality.
This one has hit all of the seven mainline denoms quicker than I could have imagined back then!
ExGentibus
Puritan Board Freshman
Hardly surprising, but sad news nonetheless.
Confessor
Puritan Board Senior
Jewett?
Rich Koster
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
When you explain away or ignore a part of God's word to please people, it opens the floodgate to keep going on until "anything goes". The hard call is to tell when the line has been crossed that puts a group into the synagogue of Satan category. This symptom makes it obvious.
I've had close association with the ELCA back to when it was the LCA -- sadly, folks come out of seminary thoroughly convinced that man has evolved in his thinking -- we are at a higher plane today and can therefore think critically of anything that disagrees with modern sensibilities. God is love, period, and to say that he would ever .... fill in the blank, block women from being a pastor, make people uncomfortable about divorce ...
I'm not sure many thought through the logic of such a position, and that's why the vote was so close. The higher order of thinking was fine as long as it didn't interfere with my opinions, but hey, isn't this gay thing going too far?
I'm not sure many thought through the logic of such a position, and that's why the vote was so close. The higher order of thinking was fine as long as it didn't interfere with my opinions, but hey, isn't this gay thing going too far?
Michael Doyle
Puritan Board Junior
This is very sad indeed. When I first came to Christ in April of 2000, we attended a little ELCA church down the street from us. One morning, they had made some proclamation of homosexuals in the pulpit, I dont quite remember the context but nonetheless, that morning I told my wife, we will not be back.
I didnt exactly know much, but I knew that was wrong, so we told the woman pastor we were leaving.
I didnt exactly know much, but I knew that was wrong, so we told the woman pastor we were leaving.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
