C. Matthew McMahon
Christian Preacher
We don't have the frist source for TULIP yet. Still open if you want to try! I have still been unable to locate it.
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Originally posted by ANT
I've got a small book/booklet (30 to 40 pgs.) at home that specifically covers the origins of the acronym T.U.L.I.P ....
When I get home I'll look it up ...
Just Kidding ....
I Wanted to make everybody sweat
Originally posted by Pilgrim
Originally posted by puritansailor
Maybe????
Lorraine Boetner:
"The Five Points may be more easily remembered if they are associated with the word T-U-L-I-P; T, Total Inability; U- Unconditional Election; L, Limited Atonement; I, Irresistible Grace; and P, Perserverance of the Saints." pg. 60, The Reformed Doctrine of Predistination, @ 1932.
He doesn't cite or quote anyone regarding this acronym. So maybe he's the culprit? This book has been pretty popular over the years.
If anything, Boettner's book has certainly served to popularize TULIP over the years. He had come to my mind as well, but I don't have that particular book.
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
Greg (doulosChristou) just sent me this quote:
"Ever since the appearance of Lorraine Boettner's magisterial The Reformed Doctrine of Presestination, it has been customary to refer to the five points according to the acrostic TULIP."
Steele, David N., Curtis C. Thomas, and S. Lance Quinn The Five Points of Calvinism: Defined, Defended, Documented, 2nd ed. (Phillipsburg, NJ: P & R Publishing) 2004, p. xiv.
Originally posted by Pilgrim
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
Greg (doulosChristou) just sent me this quote:
"Ever since the appearance of Lorraine Boettner's magisterial The Reformed Doctrine of Presestination, it has been customary to refer to the five points according to the acrostic TULIP."
Steele, David N., Curtis C. Thomas, and S. Lance Quinn The Five Points of Calvinism: Defined, Defended, Documented, 2nd ed. (Phillipsburg, NJ: P & R Publishing) 2004, p. xiv.
in my opinion that's probably as definitive as it's going to get. If Boettner didn't invent TULIP, his work certainly served to popularize its use. And no one has found a clear use of it prior to Boettner's work.
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
I browsed through the RTS Reformed Theology section. There are several "Reformed Faith" type books even from Boettner's time and they didn't use the acrostic.
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
I actually think that the acrostic makes too narrow a definition since the Reformed Faith includes much more than the 5 points. But before Boettner, the Reformed Faith was considered much broader than the TULIP.
Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
Boettner did not invent TULIP. Popularization....mmmmm.....aahhhh. Yeah maybe. I can't see that Boettner came "up" with TULIP.
Maybe there is no definitive answer. But it sure seems strange that we use it so "evidently" and it doesn't have a concise beginning. I mean, "tulips" "five petals intertwined" Dutch" Synod IN Dordt." Seems strange that there are no histroy books that say "Rev. "x" came up with the term.
also it is impossible that the dutch words could have been total, unconditional, limited, irresistible and perseverance as they are all clearly english words.
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
Boettner did not invent TULIP. Popularization....mmmmm.....aahhhh. Yeah maybe. I can't see that Boettner came "up" with TULIP.
Maybe there is no definitive answer. But it sure seems strange that we use it so "evidently" and it doesn't have a concise beginning. I mean, "tulips" "five petals intertwined" Dutch" Synod IN Dordt." Seems strange that there are no histroy books that say "Rev. "x" came up with the term.
I read some unpublished syllubi from CW Hodge , who was the Systematics professor at Princeton when Boettner went there. Hodge didn't use it. If Boettner got it from somewhere else then he doesn't reference it which would be a scholarly no-no.
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
Boettner did not invent TULIP. Popularization....mmmmm.....aahhhh. Yeah maybe. I can't see that Boettner came "up" with TULIP.
Maybe there is no definitive answer. But it sure seems strange that we use it so "evidently" and it doesn't have a concise beginning. I mean, "tulips" "five petals intertwined" Dutch" Synod IN Dordt." Seems strange that there are no histroy books that say "Rev. "x" came up with the term.
I read some unpublished syllubi from CW Hodge , who was the Systematics professor at Princeton when Boettner went there. Hodge didn't use it. If Boettner got it from somewhere else then he doesn't reference it which would be a scholarly no-no.
Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
Boettner did not invent TULIP. Popularization....mmmmm.....aahhhh. Yeah maybe. I can't see that Boettner came "up" with TULIP.
Maybe there is no definitive answer. But it sure seems strange that we use it so "evidently" and it doesn't have a concise beginning. I mean, "tulips" "five petals intertwined" Dutch" Synod IN Dordt." Seems strange that there are no histroy books that say "Rev. "x" came up with the term.
I read some unpublished syllubi from CW Hodge , who was the Systematics professor at Princeton when Boettner went there. Hodge didn't use it. If Boettner got it from somewhere else then he doesn't reference it which would be a scholarly no-no.
Patrick - exactly. Listing things in that way is a "no no" without documentation.
If he had documented it, then we would have already had a winner!
I think the Dutch quotes of fivepointcalvinist may be of help. But I don't read dutch and can't research that. Maybe someone knows who could?
If Boettner made it up, what would there be to document? He would be the primary source.Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
Originally posted by Puritan Sailor
Originally posted by C. Matthew McMahon
Boettner did not invent TULIP. Popularization....mmmmm.....aahhhh. Yeah maybe. I can't see that Boettner came "up" with TULIP.
Maybe there is no definitive answer. But it sure seems strange that we use it so "evidently" and it doesn't have a concise beginning. I mean, "tulips" "five petals intertwined" Dutch" Synod IN Dordt." Seems strange that there are no histroy books that say "Rev. "x" came up with the term.
I read some unpublished syllubi from CW Hodge , who was the Systematics professor at Princeton when Boettner went there. Hodge didn't use it. If Boettner got it from somewhere else then he doesn't reference it which would be a scholarly no-no.
Patrick - exactly. Listing things in that way is a "no no" without documentation.
If he had documented it, then we would have already had a winner!
Originally posted by Pilgrim
According to the PCA Historical Center, Boettner directed that most of his papers be destroyed.
Originally posted by gregbed
In a BibSac article by Earle Cairns:
Boettner sums up in this manner: "œThe five points of Calvinism may be more easily remembered if they are associated with the word tulip: total inability (depravity of all human beings resulting from Adam´s sin), unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints."24
Dallas Theological Seminary, Bibliotheca Sacra Volume 106, 106:116 (Dallas Theological Seminary, 1949; 2002).
As a historian, I would think Cairns would have noted an earlier source if he knew of one.
I betting on Puritan Sailor. I thought if it's too late to get the right answer, I could make some money by setting up a pool. I promise to buy books with the proceeds.
Originally posted by NaphtaliPress
Mmmh. Don't just hate that?
Originally posted by Pilgrim
According to the PCA Historical Center, Boettner directed that most of his papers be destroyed.