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No, (yes whispered), it's our dirty little secret .
Florida seems to be a weird place. For example, folks keep telling me that St. Augustine is in Florida when he is really in heaven.
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No, (yes whispered), it's our dirty little secret .
Again our dirtly little secret, I've met him he really is a boor. He just goes on and on about himself and blah blah blah. It may be a weird place but we have Mickey mouse. But do come to Florida its wonderful and st Augustine is wonderful.Florida seems to be a weird place. For example, folks keep telling me that St. Augustine is in Florida when he is really in heaven.
I don’t say that there should be no death penalty for certain of the worst, public, intentional, violations of the first table.Well I don't know about that consensus. I believe that some feel that people that should die for transgressions they deem worthy of it. You think that way, but not everyone.
I went on a family trip as a child to St. Augustine and remember it being wonderful. I was so enchanted with the history and the look of it.Again our dirtly little secret, I've met him he really is a boor. He just goes on and on about himself and blah blah blah. It may be a weird place but we have Mickey mouse. But do come to Florida its wonderful and st Augustine is wonderful.
Im glad you enjoyed it! I live like 45 minutes from there. Where do you draw the line on what deserves the death penalty and not, and why?I don’t say that there should be no death penalty for certain of the worst, public, intentional, violations of the first table.
I went on a family trip as a child to St. Augustine and remember it being wonderful. I was so enchanted with the history and the look of it.
Jeri,
I love your optimism. It is one of the most attractive features of Americans. But I don't think the past (extensive) history of established churches bears out your hope, this side of the new Jerusalem.
I think he means that it’s hypothetical because Florida homes don’t have basements. They do have sinkholes however.Are there no Baptists in Florida?
Well, the communion of saints and all...... isn’t St Augustine in England as well? You know, the other one.Florida seems to be a weird place. For example, folks keep telling me that St. Augustine is in Florida when he is really in heaven.
There is no other one, we own it .Well, the communion of saints and all...... isn’t St Augustine in England as well? You know, the other one.
What if to enforce it requires the death of countless people who don't agree with the confession?There is no way that any government on this side will be Utopian. Just look at the very first failed form of Government. Adam and Eve in the garden failed. But that doesn't negate any responsibility to know that the Moral Law of God is to be obeyed as established truth for all men everywhere.
We have beatiful beaches too.I think he means that it’s hypothetical because Florida homes don’t have basements. They do have sinkholes however.
With sharks , infected monkeys, alligators and huge pythons. A real paradise......(just jokin on ya)We have beatiful beaches too.
There is no way that any government on this side will be Utopian. Just look at the very first failed form of Government. Adam and Eve in the garden failed. But that doesn't negate any responsibility to know that the Moral Law of God is to be obeyed as established truth for all men everywhere.
I've swam with aligators my whole life. People freak out at how deep I go in the ocean.With sharks , infected monkeys, alligators and huge pythons. A real paradise......(just jokin on ya)
Haven't we discussed that enough? I don't think that will be necessary.What if to enforce it requires the death of countless people who don't agree with the confession?
Than what in your opinion is the appropriate penalty? And saying other people will figure it out is just punting the ball. What do you think and why? You are the judge in this case, what do you do with these human beings who don't want to conform to your confession?Haven't we discussed that enough? I don't think that will be necessary.
It's precisely in these details that the project runs into great difficulties: is ancient Israel the divinely mandated model for the government of all modern nation-states? If so, what was "citizenship" in their context? and who voted for whom?Citizenship would look different and so would voting rights probably. But that is shooting from the hip.
Well, for one thing, the circumstances would be different. No lopping off of any foreskin would assure you of citizenship here. LOL.It's precisely in these details that the project runs into great difficulties: is ancient Israel the divinely mandated model for the government of all modern nation-states? If so, what was "citizenship" in their context? and who voted for whom?
Ok what changes? See that's what I mean by practical, but the difficulties arise as Dr. Duguid pointed out are still there. And what do you think a wise penalty should be for someone refusing to baptize their child?Well, as I noted earlier I think the adherence to any rule should be broadened to other denominations. I would start with a few changes of the Constitution also if that was a possibility. Citizenship would look different and so would voting rights probably. But that is shooting from the hip.
Ok, leave the death penalty off the table. What do you think should be done with a credobaptist brother or sister who refuses to baptize their child? Not death obviously but something, what is it? It shouldn't be someone else's problem.Well, for one thing, the circumstances would be different. No lopping off of any foreskin would assure you of citizenship here. LOL.
Ok what changes? See that's what I mean by practical, but the difficulties arise as Dr. Duguid pointed out are still there. And what do you think a wise penalty should be for someone refusing to baptize their child?
What do you think should be done with a credobaptist brother or sister who refuses to baptize their child?
I can't think of any examples where Protestant authorities actually imprisoned people on such grounds.
To my knowledge the Westminster era English didn't advocate such.
Yet now in this day and age some really think this would be appropriate. Again, utterly appalling, and absolutely galvanizing to my non-establishmentarian stance.
And credobaptists became persecuted refugees. And everyone knows there isn't even the smallest biblical basis for not eagerly participating in paedobaptism. So by all means, those believers' conscience be damned, let's do whatever may seem necessary in the realm of civil/church punishment to get rid of these heretics.After the initial persecution they wouldn't have needed to. National State Churches became the norm.
If separating the kids from their parents is a good solution, then why not make the separation permanent by whatever means necessary to affect such an end?what are they going to do to Baptists?
But this question needs to be raised: will there be denominational churches? If so, what are they going to do to Baptists?
And credobaptists became persecuted refugees. And everyone knows there isn't even the smallest biblical basis for not eagerly participating in paedobaptism. So by all means, those believers' conscience be damned, let's do whatever may seem necessary in the realm of civil/church punishment to get rid of these heretics.
You evidently haven't read my prior posts. I addressed this earlier.Ok, leave the death penalty off the table. What do you think should be done with a credobaptist brother or sister who refuses to baptize their child? Not death obviously but something, what is it? It shouldn't be someone else's problem.
I honestly believe that the decalogue as the main source and guide itself is enough. We don't need to get into the minutia of the Civil imposing an Ecclesiology of a denomination. We dwell together as Credo only and Credo / Paedo Covenant Children baptists pretty well on this forum. But I am probably the most liberal in that thought. We can be a Nation guided by the knowledge of a Trinitarian God who gave us the decalogue as Moral Fiber.
Well, as I noted earlier I think the adherence to any rule should be broadened to other denominations.
"Sin"? Not "crime"?Especially since the WCF says it is a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance
"Sin"? Not "crime"?
We're over 200 posts in, and you guys still under the impression that the magistrate (according to the Establishment Principle) is to punish sins which aren't crimes?
Would've been an easier reductio, though.