Going Vegan/Organic

Discussion in 'The Iron Chef' started by caoclan, Sep 17, 2011.

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  1. awretchsavedbygrace

    awretchsavedbygrace Puritan Board Sophomore

    For those of you who wish to eat healthier or lose some weight- just eat less meat. Become a Semi-Vegetarian.
     
  2. Andres

    Andres Puritan Board Doctor

    Dessert Storm?!!! Now that I could get behind! Sign me up!
     
  3. JBaldwin

    JBaldwin Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    I'm not sure about the link to cancer, but I do know that the other information has been verified by the chemists that work with my husband.
     
  4. jwright82

    jwright82 Puritan Board Senior

    Amen brother, amen!
     
  5. ZackF

    ZackF Puritan Board Graduate

    Exactly. Not just physical health problems but mental problems/depression. You brain needs the fats/cholesterol/protein found in animal products. Ask a veg*n about their mental health 18-36 months after taking the plunge.
     
  6. Michael

    Michael Puritan Board Senior

    I beg to differ on that one.
     
  7. Rufus

    Rufus Puritan Board Junior

    Oops. I'd sign up for Dessert storm too.
     
  8. jpfrench81

    jpfrench81 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Many of these documentaries are available through Netflix Instant Streaming. I started Food, Inc. the other day, but haven't finished yet.
     
  9. Pilgrim Standard

    Pilgrim Standard Puritan Board Sophomore

    Food Inc was interesting, I found "The Future of Food" to be very good as well.

    I am certainly not a vegi in any sense. I suppose if it was not for my loving wife, I would be eating meat and potatoes almost exclusively.
    I do prefer to eat organic and free range or grass fed foods. (When I use these terms I mean food from small farms within reasonable geographic proximity to me, as I can see how it is produced. Some we get from the Amish. There is a taste preference with me, as well as a comfort level of knowing more about what is actually "IN" the food I eat. I don't trust overly processed food ingredients, and I especially do not like genetically modified foods. Ironically have no issue with cloned plants, but do not trust cloned animals. These can not be equated. I clone mint plants in a very strict sense of the word, when I drop pieces of it on the ground that I have harvested.

    I also prefer that the animals that I consume were treated as I believe we ought to treat them. This is certainly not the case in much of the Mega Big Ag corps that produce so much of the American Diet. That being said, the Meat I consume does not all come organically nor can I confirm that it is all treated in a humane manner. But the meat I get from farms, I can validate from some slaughters I have been to, and the ability to actually see the animals grow, that they are treated and put down well.

    As for Milk, I love raw milk. I know it does not have hormones injected which fiddle with estrogen levels, and the proteins are not manipulate beyond recognition in due to processing. I have been drinking it for years and have never had a problem with it. I have some problems with store bought milk.
     
  10. ZackF

    ZackF Puritan Board Graduate

    Speaking of documentaries, Tom Naughton's "Fat Head" is a great response to Morgan Spurlock's "SuperSize Me".
     
  11. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    You are drawing a false conclusion. Hormones aren't introduced into the milk when it is processed/ pasteurized. It's introduced at the cow stage. So whether or not milk is raw has nothing to do with whether it has hormones. And, conversely, you can get processed milk which has not had hormones added if you are willing to pay a premium.

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    Sure you aren't thinking of HFCS? In my opinion, cane sugar is much better for you (or less bad, perhaps) than is HFCS.
     
  12. LawrenceU

    LawrenceU Puritan Board Doctor

    I will NOT walk through the wide open door that Michael just left swinging. . . .:)
     
  13. BernardMarx

    BernardMarx Puritan Board Freshman

    About six months ago I basically stopped wheat. I lost a tonne of weight and I feel much more happy and energetic, generally speaking. I now eat spelt and kamut flour. Other than that I don't really care to get all involved with health food. Too much stress and worry.
     
  14. JBaldwin

    JBaldwin Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    When I think of the simplicity of food in the generation of my parents or even my childhood vs. what is generally available now, I can see why one would think it stressful and worrisome to think about eating right.

    It was really the babyboomers and their children who embraced processed foods: Twinkies, Ho-hos, Freetos, Captain Crunch, Jello and Lays Potato Chips are processed foods that appeared on and off in my household when I was a child. Even so, the balance of our diet was still fresh veggies and fruits from the garden, grocery store or farm stand and meat from the butcher, and I lived in the suburbs of Chicago. Until the early 1970s, my family was still getting milk and eggs delivered to the house by the local dairy, and it was left in a milkbox--outside, even in the summer time!

    My parents both grew up eating mostly food they raised as meat or in the garden. Sugar and coffee were the items purchased at the local store.

    Here's another thought (and I'm sure someone will jump all over me for it, but it's just an observation)--with the rise of processed foods in the Western diet has come the flood of cancer patients. I'm not blaming processed foods for the rise in cancer, but I wonder if there is some connection?
     
  15. LawrenceU

    LawrenceU Puritan Board Doctor

    I am fairly well convinced that there is a connection. It may be simple, or it may be complex, but there is something there. Food is no longer seen as food. It is now seen as nutrition; components rather than a whole. That is fallacious understanding of the incredible creation.
     
  16. TimV

    TimV Puritanboard Botanist

    No, there's truth to it. If nothing else it's established that a lack of fiber causes some cancers. I think ONE thing to keep in mind is that smoking and a fatty non fibrous diet cause probably two thirds of those cancers that aren't do to people living longer, genetic predisposition etc...

    I just wonder about the wisdom of worrying about a farmer spraying a botanically based pyrethroid on his broccoli to kill bugs when the cancer cause that, if any, is rarer than being struck by lightening.

    I mean, getting lots of exercise, eating well, not smoking like a chimney and keeping sex monogamous takes care of the vast majority of cancers you can actually prevent by behavior, so why stress that someone found a piece of asbestos in your kid's school?
     
  17. SRoper

    SRoper Puritan Board Graduate

    I do to. Again, I'd be interested in any studies on the topic. There are certainly unhealthy vegetarian/vegan diets, but eliminating animal products is not necessarily unhealthy.
     
  18. ZackF

    ZackF Puritan Board Graduate

    I was hoping someone else would....
     
  19. TimV

    TimV Puritanboard Botanist

    A person could do a lot worse than using Christ as an example for that too. Butter, honey, milk, red meat, fish, wine, olive oil, figs, bread. Why one would want to cut any of these out of one's diet has always been a mystery to me. He like, made us......:) and knows what's good for us.
     
  20. JBaldwin

    JBaldwin Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Not all animal fats are alike, and fish oils such as the Omega 3s and 6s are excellent brain food. If you have a foggy head, just try taking a high quality omega 3 every day. You might be surprised what you discover.
     
  21. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Professor

    You're right - watching CNN was your first mistake...

    "Organic" comes from a Latin word that means "more expensive for no legitimate reason than the ordinary stuff." There is zero nutritional difference between an organic tomato and an un-organic one. Just the price. At the stores I shop in, the organic section is almost always completely empty of customers.

    It's bad enough that I had to give up red meat because of my gout...
     
  22. TimV

    TimV Puritanboard Botanist

    Richard, 2 months living with me would cure you of gout. You wouldn't be really happy, but at the end of the two months you'd be gout free.
     
  23. J. Dean

    J. Dean Puritan Board Junior

    All this talk about veganism makes me want a prime rib, medium rare....
     
  24. caoclan

    caoclan Puritan Board Freshman

    I would be interested to find out if this is an anecdotal statement, or factual. If factual, can you provide me somewhere to check that out?
     
  25. ChristianTrader

    ChristianTrader Puritan Board Graduate

  26. JoannaV

    JoannaV Puritan Board Sophomore

    It's quite possible that there are different ideal diets for different individuals.
     
  27. SRoper

    SRoper Puritan Board Graduate

    There's no evidence to support your claim. Your body doesn't care--sugar is sugar. Replacing one form for another has no impact on health.

    The Health Effects of High Fructose Syrup

    My wife is a physician and her undergraduate was in nutrition and food science, so this is often our dinner-time conversation.
     
  28. ChristianTrader

    ChristianTrader Puritan Board Graduate

    Princeton University - A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain
     
  29. caoclan

    caoclan Puritan Board Freshman

    Thank you for this link. I am wading through it a little at a time. It seems to me, at the end of the day, we just have to go with what makes sense to us. As we know within the reformed camp, everyone has a presupposition, there is no neutral ground. Some people can look for information to suit their thesis, even if they don't even know it.

    Side note: I have lost nearly 10 lbs in about three weeks of eating a similar, but not exact, diet as the Forks over Knives featured. It has not been a horrible experience, either. But I can't wait to have some local grass-fed beef!
     
  30. Peairtach

    Peairtach Puritan Board Doctor

    Veggies can kill too, if they are diseased or are treated with certain carcinogenic chemicals.

    Is there any evidence that vegetarians live longer or have happier lives?
     
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