Cifrado
Puritan Board Freshman
This is what we have so far. I'm not sure how to give a proper response to something like this. Perhaps you could offer some insight.
"The OT does predict a messiah but not one who saves from sin. The messiah was supposed to return all captives back to Israel and setup a strong Israel which would never be captive again. Salvation from sin is never mention in conjunction with the messiah. Jesus did do these simple things. Jesus wasn't a great political leader .
Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
Jesus doesn't fit the messianic prophecies.
I support my claim with scriptural references. Even though I believe none of it, I can still see the problems and Jesus is not necessary and he doesn't fit the bill of messiah according to the Jewish text. He may fit the bill to Paul but not to the scriptures."
Below is another post by this same person
"In the OP I claim that according to the OT Jesus nor any other savior is required for forgiveness of sin. Ezekiel, a "prophet of god", says all you have to do is turn from your ways and god imputes righteousness to you. This is much more simple and reasonable than human sacrifice especially since human sacrifice is condemned in the bible. Jesus is not mentioned in the OT and the messiah who is mentioned is not a savior for sin. He is a savior from captivity and oppression. A political leader who defeats their oppressors by military operations. I listed the references on here already. Care to comment?"
"The OT does predict a messiah but not one who saves from sin. The messiah was supposed to return all captives back to Israel and setup a strong Israel which would never be captive again. Salvation from sin is never mention in conjunction with the messiah. Jesus did do these simple things. Jesus wasn't a great political leader .
Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
Jesus doesn't fit the messianic prophecies.
I support my claim with scriptural references. Even though I believe none of it, I can still see the problems and Jesus is not necessary and he doesn't fit the bill of messiah according to the Jewish text. He may fit the bill to Paul but not to the scriptures."
Below is another post by this same person
"In the OP I claim that according to the OT Jesus nor any other savior is required for forgiveness of sin. Ezekiel, a "prophet of god", says all you have to do is turn from your ways and god imputes righteousness to you. This is much more simple and reasonable than human sacrifice especially since human sacrifice is condemned in the bible. Jesus is not mentioned in the OT and the messiah who is mentioned is not a savior for sin. He is a savior from captivity and oppression. A political leader who defeats their oppressors by military operations. I listed the references on here already. Care to comment?"