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As it seems apparent that Paul tied together one having faith in Jesus with water baptism!
As it seems apparent that Paul tied together one having faith in Jesus with water baptism!
Spiritual circumcision, done by God before water baptism!Yes, as well as circumcision. Who was supposed to be circumcised?
"Move along! Nothing to see here!"
I am still waiting for a "dog chasing its tail" gif. Not that I have any threads in mind that could use it...Or we could just get another baptism debate going!
As it seems apparent that Paul tied together one having faith in Jesus with water baptism!
I am just suggesting that Paul directly tied faith in Jesus to one now being water baptized, as that would be the clear reading of the text!Are you inviting a dialog or are you just talking at the household baptists/paedobaptists on here? Honestly, there isn't much to dig into in your post. Why don't you at least exegete it for us and demonstrate why this seems so obvious to you? If not, I would suggest refraining from making such posts.
I am jist suggesting that Paul directly tied faith in Jesus to one now being water baptized, as that would be the clear reading of the text!
I am jist suggesting that Paul directly tied faith in Jesus to one now being water baptized, as that would be the clear reading of the text!
Paul states here though that faith is what gets us into the NC and the church, not the water baptism, for without faith in Jesus, one just getting all wet!Tim,
It's really not a debate.
Paul would have said the same of circumcision.....it is by faith one is in the internal side of the covenant. Nothing has changed.
Paul states here though that faith is what gets us into the NC and the church, not the water baptism, for without faith in Jesus, one just getting all wet!
...without faith in Jesus, one just getting all wet!
I did not mean to make any here upset, was just making a tongue in cheek reply.Brother, I’m okay that you are a convinced Baptist. That’s fine. However, this kind of flippant rhetoric appears to be a cheap shot, and is frankly just plain offensive.
Please give the people in this thread the courtesy of elaborating on your exegesis and theologizing so actual interaction might happen.
Do you think the Covenant promises of the Lord are something that warrants tongue-in-cheek comments?I did not mean to make any here upset, was just making a tongue in check reply.
I did not mean to make any here upset, was just making a tongue in check reply.
I am trying to understand how we cannot get from that passage that Paul links water baptism to one having faith in Christ, do that under the NC just believer's get baptized.I know, brother. I’m not angry. It’s just that people are already getting frustrated at the direction (or lack thereof) of this thread. These kinds of comments just add to it.
Paul states here though that faith is what gets us into the NC and the church, not the water baptism, for without faith in Jesus, one just getting all wet!
Paul would have said the same of circumcision.....it is by faith one is in the internal side of the covenant. Nothing has changed.
I am trying to understand how we cannot get from that passage that Paul links water baptism to one having faith in Christ, do that under the NC just believer's get baptized.
David, what you must do here is further the discussion. Ask, for example, "In what way can an infant be said to have been 'buried with Christ' in his baptism, and 'raised to walk in newness of life'?" That'll give them a question to work with, the answer to which I'm curious as well, though I suspect the answer will be along the lines of "the child is joined to Christ in the external administration of the covenant."I am trying to understand how we cannot get from that passage that Paul links water baptism to one having faith in Christ, do that under the NC just believer's get baptized.
"In what way can an infant be said to have been 'buried with Christ' in his baptism, and 'raised to walk in newness of life'?"
Yes, but that would be apart from water baptism, as that would be the work of the Holy Spirit proper.Can an infant be regenerated?
Grest question, as Paul seems to be affirming that water baptism apart from faith in Christ and having new life by the Holy Spirit avails nothing!David, what you must do here is further the discussion. Ask, for example, "In what way can an infant be said to have been 'buried with Christ' in his baptism, and 'raised to walk in newness of life'?" That'll give them a question to work with, the answer to which I'm curious as well, though I suspect the answer will be along the lines of "the child is joined to Christ in the external administration of the covenant."
But let's see what they say.
Can an infant be regenerated?
I'm curious under what circumstances it would be necessary to determine whether an infant be regenerate.Follow on question: If an infant were regenerated, how could we tell?
Only God would know if they were or not.Answer: Possibly. There seems to be indication that at least two biblical figures were regenerate in utero.
Follow on question: If an infant were regenerated, how could we tell?