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And as a light that has been set upon a Hill I shall do as He has commanded me. I will proclaim the good news as my denomination sees very fit.
Next to Chapter 10 on Effectual Calling the RPCNA testimony states....
6. Evangelism is the proclamation of Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord as he is offered in the Gospel. Christ laid the responsibility upon the whole Church to make this proclamation. The task is not restricted to ordained officers. Each member is to take his share of the responsibility according to the gifts God has given him.
7. Those evangelizing should use all available means consistent with the Bible so that every person may be given the opportunity to hear, understand, and receive the Gospel. While guarding against undue pressure, we must urge men to be reconciled to God.
8. Evangelism is not only to seek the conversion of sinners but also to build them up to become effective in the Church's continuing task.
9. The Great Commission requires the Church to take the whole Gospel to the whole world. The Bible recognizes the legitimacy of diverse cultures. Every culture is to be transformed and made subject to Christ through redeemed men, all for the glory of God.
10. Wherever consistent with faithfulness to God's truth, different branches of the visible church should cooperate in evangelism to strengthen their witness by demonstrating their unity in Christ.
The gospel is the victory over all evil sin and death that we praise God for and is the principle focus of our age. Therefore it should arise as the focal point of interaction with unbelievers because our purpose here is to bear witness to Christ
Also our purpose is to glorify God, not bear witness/share the Gospel/tell our testimony
Do you not think God get's glory when we share the truth of His Glorious Grace?
Do you not think God get's glory when we share the truth of His Glorious Grace?
Yes. He also receives glory when His Truth is exposited and proclaimed from His Scriptures, but that does not mean that every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane should preach.
I just want to interject here that not all Reformed Presbyterian's hold to this view some are claiming that only ordained people are called to evangelize. My denomination does not agree with such a narrow understanding. So please don't let this get to be an emotional rant and or with harsh argumentation. I do believe it is a very small amount of guys and a very small denomination that holds to this view. As I noted above.....
And as a light that has been set upon a Hill I shall do as He has commanded me. I will proclaim the good news as my denomination sees very fit.
Next to Chapter 10 on Effectual Calling the RPCNA testimony states....
6. Evangelism is the proclamation of Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord as he is offered in the Gospel. Christ laid the responsibility upon the whole Church to make this proclamation. The task is not restricted to ordained officers. Each member is to take his share of the responsibility according to the gifts God has given him.
7. Those evangelizing should use all available means consistent with the Bible so that every person may be given the opportunity to hear, understand, and receive the Gospel. While guarding against undue pressure, we must urge men to be reconciled to God.
8. Evangelism is not only to seek the conversion of sinners but also to build them up to become effective in the Church's continuing task.
9. The Great Commission requires the Church to take the whole Gospel to the whole world. The Bible recognizes the legitimacy of diverse cultures. Every culture is to be transformed and made subject to Christ through redeemed men, all for the glory of God.
10. Wherever consistent with faithfulness to God's truth, different branches of the visible church should cooperate in evangelism to strengthen their witness by demonstrating their unity in Christ.
I do believe we are commanded and commissioned by Christ as a whole Church to do this work in some capacity and at some level as the Testimony of my Church declares.
The gospel is the victory over all evil sin and death that we praise God for and is the principle focus of our age. Therefore it should arise as the focal point of interaction with unbelievers because our purpose here is to bear witness to Christ
Singing praises to God is not the focal point of interaction with unbelievers. Praising God is pointed towards God.
Also our purpose is to glorify God, not bear witness/share the Gospel/tell our testimony
Do you not think God get's glory when we share the truth of His Glorious Grace?
Yes. He also receives glory when His Truth is exposited and proclaimed from His Scriptures, but that does not mean that every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane should preach.
Preaching isn't necessarily sharing or proclaiming the gospel either. Is it? And you are right. Because not every Tom, Dick, Harry or Jane truly understands it nor are every Tom, Dick, Harry, Jane necessarily regenerate. God has used a donkey before to rebuke an ignorant man. And as far as witnessing. I am not sure the effectual message has to say.... Turn to Christ. Remember Jonah. He just preached God's wrath against Nineveh and God awakened the Kings heart to seek for repentance. God fills in the blanks when He needs or wants to. God uses the whole Church to function and speak the truth though. Even if it is done in a way that some might think imperfect God providentially works to harden or soften the heart toward himself. And He gets the Glory through Christ's Person and Work.
How can we just sit by and enjoy life at all when there are millions of people headed for hell right now? If we are content with that then the Spirit of Christ doesn't live in us.
Do you not think God get's glory when we share the truth of His Glorious Grace?
Yes. He also receives glory when His Truth is exposited and proclaimed from His Scriptures, but that does not mean that every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane should preach.
Preaching isn't necessarily sharing or proclaiming the gospel either. Is it? And you are right. Because not every Tom, Dick, Harry or Jane truly understands it nor are every Tom, Dick, Harry, Jane necessarily regenerate. God has used a donkey before to rebuke an ignorant man. And as far as witnessing. I am not sure the effectual message has to say.... Turn to Christ. Remember Jonah. He just preached God's wrath against Nineveh and God awakened the Kings heart to seek for repentance. God fills in the blanks when He needs or wants to. God uses the whole Church to function and speak the truth though. Even if it is done in a way that some might think imperfect God providentially works to harden or soften the heart toward himself. And He gets the Glory through Christ's Person and Work.
The only point I was trying to make was yes we are to glorify God in all we do, but that does not mean that we are to glorify God in every possible way.
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How can we just sit by and enjoy life at all when there are millions of people headed for hell right now? If we are content with that then the Spirit of Christ doesn't live in us.
No one is advocating that we just sit by.
I will point out again that the Acts passage is describing singing. You are defining praise more broadly. I have no problem with your definition of praise, but it does not fit in the Acts passage. Therefore you cannot use this passage to prove that "sharing the Gospel=sharing one's testimony" as you originally stated.
Also if I am dead wrong, then the Divines were dead wrong and the Standards are wrong. They state that the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. Everything is pointed to God. It does not say that the chief end of man is to praise God through telling our testimony.
1. The Acts passage is just one that points to praising God and in our age that praise always includes the gospel message. It doesn;t matter if it is sung or spoken. The gospel can be communicated either way. Also I provided many other passages that support the idea over other posts. That first post was brief because I didn't put any effort into it.
2. We glorify God the most when we help those who are hurting. Those who are hurting the most are those who are lost. When we praise God in the gospel it serves his purpose of saving those who are lost. There is no other reason GOd would leave us here in a dying world.
1. The Acts passage is just one that points to praising God and in our age that praise always includes the gospel message. It doesn;t matter if it is sung or spoken. The gospel can be communicated either way. Also I provided many other passages that support the idea over other posts. That first post was brief because I didn't put any effort into it.
2. We glorify God the most when we help those who are hurting. Those who are hurting the most are those who are lost. When we praise God in the gospel it serves his purpose of saving those who are lost. There is no other reason GOd would leave us here in a dying world.
You cannot develop theological beliefs by taking a passage and defining it according to "our age." I pointed out how one can praise God that does not include the Gospel. So your statement is false. I agree that the Gospel can be communicated either way, I am trying to point out that the Acts passage deals with the singing.
We glorify God the most when we help those who are hurting? What is your basis for this? Luke 15 shows that parties are thrown in Heaven when people repent of their sins. It doesn't say that parties are thrown when I help those that are hurting.
God brings about salvation through the hearing of the Word, not through "praising God in the Gospel."
Our only purpose in this dying world is to help those who are hurting? Again, what is your basis for this?
About the other passages you posted, the original question was, "Can you Scripturally prove that "sharing the Gospel=telling my personal testimony." I do not see how any of the passages proved this point.
Different is a nice category to let flutter out into the pixie dust.
But we want to know who is right, it means a lot.
Through well tried and tested means of real scholarly study and interpretation.
That's because you and I are very different in our views.
(Heb 13:15) By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
1. The Acts passage is just one that points to praising God and in our age that praise always includes the gospel message.
I pointed out how one can praise God that does not include the Gospel. So your statement is false.
I am not so sure you can say this totally and accurately Don. You do see to be putting a lot of your ideas into the definitions and mismashing. I can use passages like you are to try to emphasize a point but that doesn't mean that you have clearly exogeted anything.
For example Praise may be made acceptable because of the Gospel but it doesn't always point to the Gospel. I just might be thankful for God's providence of allowing our age to have toilets so that we have better hygiene.
You are all over the place and don't really truly respond Don. For instance.... Boliver responded to the above and you don't even comment or reply. You just move on as though it is water off he back of a duck and it has no effect upon you. This seems to be a common way of yours.
Very simply. Have you read through any of the thread? There've been several instances of folks asserting this position with biblical basis. Ministry belongs to ministers. We must look at the word evangelism and see how it's used in Scripture. In Scripture, it belongs to ministers. The ministry of Reconicilation belongs to ministers. To place that burden upon laypersons is to do more than Scripture does. Evangelism means something more narrow in Scripture than the things which you've said. The problem is taking passages that apply to ministers of the Gospel, i.e. those who are "sent", and making that applicable to every Christian without exception.How in the world could anyone arrive at that conclusion.
Was your last insult directed at Bolivar or me? I'll address that one if needed as well. If it's at Bolivar don't worry about it I agree.
Boliver responded to the above and you don't even comment or reply. You just move on as though it is water off he back of a duck and it has no effect upon you. This seems to be a common way of yours.
You aren't even reading contextually. The above proves it. It wasn't an insult either. It was a criticism of your methodology.
Boliver responded to the above and you don't even comment or reply. You just move on as though it is water off he back of a duck and it has no effect upon you. This seems to be a common way of yours.
Very simply. Have you read through any of the thread? There've been several instances of folks asserting this position with biblical basis. Ministry belongs to ministers. We must look at the word evangelism and see how it's used in Scripture. In Scripture, it belongs to ministers. The ministry of Reconicilation belongs to ministers. To place that burden upon laypersons is to do more than Scripture does. Evangelism means something more narrow in Scripture than the things which you've said. The problem is taking passages that apply to ministers of the Gospel, i.e. those who are "sent", and making that applicable to every Christian without exception.How in the world could anyone arrive at that conclusion.
That view is unbiblical. The Spirit of God lives in every christian or he isn't a christian. By just the fruits of the Spirit alone a christian will inevitably evangelize it is in his very nature. To not evangelize is to go utterly against christian nature.
Very simply. Have you read through any of the thread? There've been several instances of folks asserting this position with biblical basis. Ministry belongs to ministers. We must look at the word evangelism and see how it's used in Scripture. In Scripture, it belongs to ministers. The ministry of Reconicilation belongs to ministers. To place that burden upon laypersons is to do more than Scripture does. Evangelism means something more narrow in Scripture than the things which you've said. The problem is taking passages that apply to ministers of the Gospel, i.e. those who are "sent", and making that applicable to every Christian without exception.How in the world could anyone arrive at that conclusion.
That view is unbiblical. The Spirit of God lives in every christian or he isn't a christian. By just the fruits of the Spirit alone a christian will inevitably evangelize it is in his very nature. To not evangelize is to go utterly against christian nature.
David, I think it is time you stop. You aren't even discussing what is being said and you are just claiming something is wrong without any refutation. You are just saying it is wrong and it is because this is how you think. It is against Christian nature? What kind of defense is this?
You aren't even reading contextually. The above proves it. It wasn't an insult either. It was a criticism of your methodology.
Well the way you quoted it showed that you quoted Bolivar. So, I believed it was directed at him. The same way below you quoted yourself and made it look like me....
Boliver responded to the above and you don't even comment or reply. You just move on as though it is water off he back of a duck and it has no effect upon you. This seems to be a common way of yours.
Note: I use the historical grammatical hermeneutic observing the law of non contradiction to answer the question.
Give me the biblical definition of "evangelist" and please show me in Scripture where it applies to every Christian without exception. In fact, if it did, Scripture would then be disagreeing with itself since it prohibits women from preaching, etc.That view is unbiblical. The Spirit of God lives in every christian or he isn't a christian. By just the fruits of the Spirit alone a christian will inevitably evangelize it is in his very nature. To not evangelize is to go utterly against christian nature.
My point stands.
Give me the biblical definition of "evangelist" and please show me in Scripture where it applies to every Christian without exception. In fact, if it did, Scripture would then be disagreeing with itself since it prohibits women from preaching, etc.That view is unbiblical. The Spirit of God lives in every christian or he isn't a christian. By just the fruits of the Spirit alone a christian will inevitably evangelize it is in his very nature. To not evangelize is to go utterly against christian nature.
There is a difference between preaching and sharing. Preaching is presenting God's testimony and sharing is presenting your own.
HOwever here is the passage that clearly explains what a christians purpose is:
1 Peter 2:9 ESV
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
We are a holy priesthood and a chosen people for his own possesion SO THAT we may proclaim the excellencies of him. It is our very purpose.
That's not what I asked for. You can't provide it. Evaneglism is not "sharing."
My point stands.
What point. I honestly don't see one.
The quotations were correct in this previous post you were responding to David. The quote function mixed it up when I was taking it from your last post. If you go look at what you responded to my point is made correctly.
see here.... Is every Christian a missionary and every place a missions field?
My point stands.
Give me the biblical definition of "evangelist" and please show me in Scripture where it applies to every Christian without exception. In fact, if it did, Scripture would then be disagreeing with itself since it prohibits women from preaching, etc.That view is unbiblical. The Spirit of God lives in every christian or he isn't a christian. By just the fruits of the Spirit alone a christian will inevitably evangelize it is in his very nature. To not evangelize is to go utterly against christian nature.
There is a difference between preaching and sharing. Preaching is presenting God's testimony and sharing is presenting your own.
HOwever here is the passage that clearly explains what a christians purpose is:
1 Peter 2:9 ESV
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
We are a holy priesthood and a chosen people for his own possesion SO THAT we may proclaim the excellencies of him. It is our very purpose.
Point made again. You didn't do what Josh asked you to do. You obfuscate.
Read this very closely David........... VERY CLOSELY!
Then stop using the term evangelize since you're not willing to inform yourself on its proper use.What you asked for is a waste of time.
Prove it biblically, then, which is what I originally asked.Evangelize is a good work to use and not only an evangelist is called to do it.