Is it wrong to listen to hard rock? (a double-meaning question)

Status
Not open for further replies.

Tripel

Puritan Board Senior
I have already given you a text that proves that an entire category is sinful because began it wanted it to be sinful. Deut 12:30.

take care(AU) that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do the same.'

You're condemning rock music because of that???

If something is sinful in its creation, how on earth can you justify it as a from of entertainment??

At what point in time was rock music (or hard rock) created? If you're going to talk about something being created in sin, I'd like to know who the person was so I can research his/her heart. You quoted some rockers earlier, but those people did not invent rock music. They added to it.

I honestly can't get away from the idea that you are justifying sin.

I honestly can't get away from the idea that you are labeling an entire genre of music sinful when Scripture does not support it.

I have a VERY important question for you:

If I have a guitar and a set of drums, is there a certain combination of notes and rhythms I could create that are sinful?
 

Confessor

Puritan Board Senior
There are no Scriptures which state an entire category of some thing is sinful because some people who began it wanted it to be sinful. Their own intentions were sinful, not the thing itself. This goes back to being a heart issue and the fact that it is not what goes into the mouth (or the ear) that is sinful, but what comes out.

I agree. In Gen. 4:21, Jubal, a reprobate if I am not mistaken, is labeled "the father of all who play the harp and flute." Yet countless times in Scripture are harps and flutes used to glorify God. We cannot use the sinfulness of the originators of something to nullify any possibility that it can be used righteously.

I see this entirely as a matter of Christian liberty. I can listen to my metal with a completely clear conscience, and I see nothing in Scripture prohibiting it.
 

Anne

Puritan Board Freshman
Quick question....why is 'Music' under the category of "Entertainment"? Boggles my mind.

Anyway, some thoughts: Rock music can and cannot be just as sinful as an aria from a Bellini opera. Contextus rex. Everything depends on context: what is it talking about? Should I, personally, be listening to it? (What can be a stumbling block for someone may not be for someone else) Is it outright profane? Etc. What requires Christian discernment simply requires Christian discernment. To analyze hard metal music would prove fruitless, revealing things like parallel fifths, tritones, and other musical functions used not only by rock 'n roll artists, but also by J.S. Bach!
 

Pilgrim72

Puritan Board Junior
I love music. I listen to all styles of rock music almost all the time every day. It's just something that I enjoy. I own thousands of CDs, and most of them are by non-Christians. If I feel that listening to a certain song or band causes me to sin, then I won't listen to it anymore. And I think this is true for each of us. If whatever you do in this world causes you to sin, you should abstain. If celebrating Christmas causes you to sin, don't do it. If eating a pazookie at BJ's Brewery causes you to sin, don't eat it. If drinking a Venti Marble Mocha Machiato with extra whip every day causes you to sin, don't drink it. If drinking a Black & Tan at the local bar after work causes you to sin, don't do it. If listening to the Dixie Chicks, or Judas Priest, or Johan Sebastian Bach causes you to sin, don't listen.

I think in answer to the OP, I don't believe it is wrong for a woman to listen to rock music. But does it cause you to sin? If so, don't listen.
 

kvanlaan

Puritan Board Doctor
In all this, can anyone tell me where the motivation to listen to rock music is of God? If we are to pray without ceasing and live as Christ, where does the motivation for listening to this sort of music come from? Can we really say it is of God? And if not, from whom is it? I am not trying to hijack here, I just want to see what people think in light of the topic before us; when it comes to questionable past-times such as this, what is our motive for listening to this sort of stuff? I think it is highly relevant...
 

ServantofGod

Puritan Board Junior
In all this, can anyone tell me where the motivation to listen to rock music is of God? If we are to pray without ceasing and live as Christ, where does the motivation for listening to this sort of music come from? Can we really say it is of God? And if not, from whom is it? I am not trying to hijack here, I just want to see what people think in light of the topic before us; when it comes to questionable past-times such as this, what is our motive for listening to this sort of stuff? I think it is highly relevant...

I can say that the motivation to listen to ANY music is of God. Humans have an ear and a love for rhythm. Rock is merely a name given to a certain type of rhythm. The lyrics range from decent, to just plain godless and demonic. Our motivation to listen to rock music, comes from a motivation to listen to music in general. Of course, when you say "the motivation to listen to rock music", it is very broad, unless you would use bands as an example of what your idea of "rock music" is. Our motivation to listen to the beautiful guitar solos of the '70s and '80s, or the godless lyrics of Black Sabbath and Metallica, the theologically right on lyrics of Steve Camp(I guess not hard rock), or the corny love lyrics of Muse and Boston? Or has this all been defined already in the last 1000 posts in the thread?:oops:Sooo...I realise I can't really answer.:duh: Is it a sign of being like-minded to Christ when you answer a question with a question?:think:



Of course, I could make the argument that rock is evil, on this case: When I ran my Jeep into a tree and totaled it, I was listening to "Comfortably Numb.":eek:
 

Pilgrim72

Puritan Board Junior
In all this, can anyone tell me where the motivation to listen to rock music is of God? If we are to pray without ceasing and live as Christ, where does the motivation for listening to this sort of music come from? Can we really say it is of God? And if not, from whom is it? I am not trying to hijack here, I just want to see what people think in light of the topic before us; when it comes to questionable past-times such as this, what is our motive for listening to this sort of stuff? I think it is highly relevant...


I ask the same question about Country music... :confused:
 

Kevin

Puritan Board Doctor
In all this, can anyone tell me where the motivation to listen to rock music is of God? If we are to pray without ceasing and live as Christ, where does the motivation for listening to this sort of music come from? Can we really say it is of God? And if not, from whom is it? I am not trying to hijack here, I just want to see what people think in light of the topic before us; when it comes to questionable past-times such as this, what is our motive for listening to this sort of stuff? I think it is highly relevant...

c'mon kevin, that is just silly.

Is your "motivation" to eat fried chicken for lunch "of God"?

In the past I was motivated to eat fried chicken out of a "sinful desire". Thus I should only eat broiled chicken, now that I am surrendered to Christ?
 

kvanlaan

Puritan Board Doctor
Piffle. One is entertainment, one is nourishment. One has a component of necessity to it, the other is an 'elective' as it were. What are you doing with that Christian liberty, if that is what this is? Are we using our time/energy/talents to praise God and live for Him with every waking moment, or do we use it to see how far we can push the envelope?

I just don't care for the idea of Christian liberty to be a vehicle to take us to the edge of 'acceptable' behaviour when the desire to do so can hardly be called righteous. What is the genesis of this desire to hear that particular music?

Can God give us a desire to do something that is not righteous?

In the past I was motivated to eat fried chicken out of a "sinful desire". Thus I should only eat broiled chicken, now that I am surrendered to Christ?

If your motive for the fried chicken was sinful, by all means, stick to broiled.
 

Anne

Puritan Board Freshman
As Christians, evereything should be 'of God' as mentioned above...and it is, whether we like it or not.

Soooo...can I eat ice cream? Is it nourishing - no. Is it healthy - no. Then why am I so *happy* and thankful to God for my ice cream? Why do I wear make up? Why do I select pretty clothes opposed to anything modest but looks like a grey sack. Because as Christians we revel in beauty (or should). How many times in Scripture does it talk about holiness not as simply 'holiness' but as 'the beauty of holiness'? (Aaran's robes come to mind).

Christians have the responsibility of dominion, and that would include all aspects of the Creation. From whole grain bread to sugar, from Mozart to Beach Boys (and hey, some Metallica is entirely clean and quite a thriller to exercise to....I may have gotten myself in trouble there, I'll see how y'all react).

If we start to lay ground work in defining what parts of creation are 'Christian' and what parts are not, I have to say that "This is my Father's World." Fallen, yes, and discernment is needed, but the moment we start making a list of pietistic rules we are rendered joyless and bitter with our little sufficient crust of nourishment in our corner of the world while other Christians sing psalms, feast and celebrate. Something is terribly wrong with that.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top