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Sarah please explain the verses I quoted? Why avoid them?
I did. Go back and read carefully what I said in each of my post. You will find my answer.
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Sarah please explain the verses I quoted? Why avoid them?
Sarah please explain the verses I quoted? Why avoid them?
I did. Go back and read carefully what I said in each of my post. You will find my answer.
Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
I would think Jesus' command to treat others the way we want to be treated answers the original question. I don't believe anybody here would want to be a slave in any fashion or by any definition.
Christ bought me with a price. If I don't like that slavery, then I don't like Christianity.
Theognome
Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
I would think Jesus' command to treat others the way we want to be treated answers the original question. I don't believe anybody here would want to be a slave in any fashion or by any definition.
Well, for that matter, I don't think most people on death row want to be executed either. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be.
While slavery isn't generally desirable, making a strong case for its sinfulness via Scripture just isn't possible. If we bear in mind the differences between biblical slavery and the ungodly slavery of early American history, biblical slavery is much more palatable though. in my opinion--and no offense intended to my ancestors who held slaves--whips should be reserved for livestock and masochists.
Christ bought me with a price. If I don't like that slavery, then I don't like Christianity.
Theognome
That's the point...we are to be slaves to Christ not man or sin.
While slavery isn't generally desirable, making a strong case for its sinfulness via Scripture just isn't possible. If we bear in mind the differences between biblical slavery and the ungodly slavery of early American history, biblical slavery is much more palatable though. in my opinion--and no offense intended to my ancestors who held slaves--whips should be reserved for livestock and masochists.
I won't pursue the masochism topic here but why do you think slavery is not desirable? God invented it.
I think it is very desirable. Look at our country now. We have welfare.
Christ bought me with a price. If I don't like that slavery, then I don't like Christianity.
Theognome
That's the point...we are to be slaves to Christ not man or sin.
If that is your position, then you are speaking nonsense. You can't have it both ways, Sarah. You either submit to biblical slavery and thus do not attempt to argue that all slavery is evil, or you simply depart from Christianity. Pick your poison.
Theognome
That's the point...we are to be slaves to Christ not man or sin.
If that is your position, then you are speaking nonsense. You can't have it both ways, Sarah. You either submit to biblical slavery and thus do not attempt to argue that all slavery is evil, or you simply depart from Christianity. Pick your poison.
Theognome
Slavery to Christ is much different than me being your slave. Maybe you should define slavery.
Taxation = its well known that "tax freedom day" is about mid-March (and getting later), when we stop working for the government and start earning money for ourselves and our families
If Obama has his way change this to mid May for some of us.
Prison = they don't compel inmates to work anymore, but neither are they their own masters. Why shouldn't there be honest servitude for some crimes anymore? Jail is terribly inefficient as punishment, and penalizes the victims of crime further by forcing them to maintenance the perpetrators.
Woops, criminals in some prisons even in the US are forced to work, they do pay them 10 cents an hour. I know people doing this because their accountants and lawyers gave them bad advice.
It seems slavery in Israel was strongly regulated, for the ultimate purpose of eliminating it, case by case, most of the time.
Great, so then slavery is best when strictly regulated I agree.
Treating persons as property seems (in general) to deny them fundamental worth--a dignity with which God has endowed each person. This thought, then, seems incompatible with a Christian anthropology. This is not the same thing as passing judgment on someone--taking away something of his (life, liberty, or property) in reaction to his criminal activity.
They do not need to be treated as property. It can be a matter of man hours to work off their stealing or not paying for what they promised to. I think this is preferable to jail, as you allude to below.
Warehousing people (prison) is the actual dehumanizing of the imago dei. Judging them and depriving them of the fruits of their labor, or even their life, is actually treating them humanely--that is, as a human.
Many southern slave owners treated their slaves well, educated them, provided Christian education for them and they were in a much better living situation that they were in the oppressive black on black waring lifestyle they previously lived under and poor living conditions.
Many southern slave owners treated their slaves well, educated them, provided Christian education for them and they were in a much better living situation that they were in the oppressive black on black waring lifestyle they previously lived under and poor living conditions.
Shall we slap the slave traders on the back on congratulate them for releasing those poor, ignorant Africans from their oppressive and ignorant homeland?
I didn't think that "the end justifies the means" was an acceptable Christian ethic.