It's Still Alive!!!!! I think, half this thread is a and a third is (with the little marks meaning frustrated words not cuss words), and a lot of watchers are while some are, and many are , while I'm only with a guitar, singing praises to my King for patience as I figure it all out...... Seriously, assuming, that, I don't embrace what I understand to be the basic of Non-Sabbath keepers, which is, "I'm keeping the 4th commandment, by, RESTING IN Christ, because HE IS THE SABBATH, so, that is my sabbath"...like the John Macarthur's, etc....and I do, for now, trust, in the Reformers, and the Confessions, which I am, and hold to the Sabbath view, then the NO WORK FOR ME OR OTHERS, seems obvious. What does not seem obvious, is what constitutes, “ If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the LORD honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, 14 Then you shall delight yourself in the LORD; And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth, And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father. The mouth of the LORD has spoken.” First, if this is the only verse for no fun, or no recreation on Sabbath...I don't know context, etc...but seems like the language is not so specific, otherwise, you'd have to not say anything, at all, that was not scripture. On a broader note, When my son, is having fun, I, as his father, find delight. I'm pleased to see him, use his body, enjoy the fun, and the very, very, very, productive, and useful physical activity; activity, that is SCIENTIFICALLY proven, to not only make his body healthy, but his mind. So, if our body, and soul, are all one, and both are GOOD, then why, would it not be a pleasure, to God, the Father, to see his children, rejoice in the Lord, using their bodies, with more focus, on the Sabbath, on God, in these things. Not professional...but for enjoyment. Taking delight (especially on the Sabbath, as well as in other days) in God, and what he has given us, in health, and mind, and creation. I would argue, that, most great writers, are great readers, and enjoy, for their own pleasure, reading great works, so, to sit back, on a Sunday, and read all day, and fellowship, and maybe, just maybe, put off time with their kids (that possibly, they did not spend time with anyway, due to their very Godly time in their study) is so easy to say, this is what is Godly on the Sabbath. I find it hard to believe, in all the time, between Jesus picking wheat in the fields, and our modern society, where only recently, did people even have large houses, and couches, and bibles in hand, that the Sabbath consisted of sitting around, visiting, and napping, and reading the Word. It just seems, to me, that God the Father, would delight, in a father and son, or daughter, playing together, in the name of God, with the rejoicing of God on their lips, in the field or in the yard. Along with the study of the word, the sacraments on Sunday morning, etc. I think non-physical people, might not quiet understand, that the mind is alive, and the focus can be on God, during physical activity. Just some thoughts, on the culture of it all. Another thought, on the flip side, most in days past, probably spent their time in physical labor all week, so to rest, for them, would mean, non physical, where those of us, who are stuck, inside, using our minds, all day, being drained, some physical activity, is truly rest for the mind. I aim to submit, to the authority of God's word, and the Historic, Reformed Faith has not led me astray, so I'm seeking to understand it, truthfully, so I can submit to God's word, and follow it...I fail daily, and PRAISE GOD, for Christ's righteousness over me...just to give you the tone of where I'm coming from.