2 Timothy 2:24-25
When people tell me they're atheists I tell them that I don't believe in atheists.
Yes, I'm fairly familiar with such an apologetic approach. Bahnsen did a good job in that debate defending the Christian worldview.Originally posted by SemperFideles
Gabriel (or is it Gabe?),
Have you ever listened to or read "The Great Debate" between Bahnsen and Stein? Good example of presup apologetics:
Bahnsen attemps to show Stein that his worldview (non-Christian) cannot account for things such as logic, but Stein didn't really agree with Bahnsen's view of logic either.. so, I don't know.Originally posted by SemperFideles
I'm not understand you then. I think Bahnsen does show Stein that he is operating from, essentially, a suppressed theological view...
This is really the meat and potatoes of the Christian theory of knowledge. You are bound ethically, as well as philosophically, to tell these men that they are indeed intrepreting "facts" or whatever we wish to call their ideas (meta-narratives, opinions, etc.) through a theological framework. We can debate the usage of linguistic signs, but the ultimate dispute is over the person of the theos (or if you prefer, the logos).Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
My only concern is really this: I debate philosophy with naturalists, a Jew, agnostics, a Buddhist, a Lutheran and some existentialists several times a week in my 300 level philosophy classes. I would not last 5 seconds in a discussion if I was to generalize and tell the non-theists that they are interpreting "facts" through a theological worldview. I would personally find that impolite and would even go so far as to say such "tactics" would damage my witness to the grace of God in Jesus Christ in how I live and talk with those who are not receiving God's grace in salvation.
Acts 17: 22- 31 Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you.
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'
"Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone"”an image made by man's design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."
Indeed. It does no good simply to state the obvious. They need to actually think about the foolishness of their worldview and what better way than to ask them to defend it, as I'm sure you are doing.Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
I discuss those kinds of issues at length with them. I usually do my best to get them to admit that they have no way to account for their own worldview, rather than me telling them they cannot. That works for me. I never hesitate to defend the namesake of Jesus Christ.