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I know you are joking here, but I actually found Robert Letham's comments here really helpful. He argues that the distinction we often assume exists between amillennialism and postmillennialism is not a distinction but actually more of a continuum of postmillennialism:If Amillennialism was good enough for John then it’s good enough for me
Same here. Since the first lockdown I've been reading and studying eschatology, reading and re-reading Daniel and Revelation, in different translation, listening to dramatic readings, etc. I posted a chart I made of where I'm at so far and will link it here if you want to peek at it. I'm still working on it.I have been leaning more in the postmill direction in the past few years. I'm still not there though. Dr. White has handled himself respectfully on this issue for decades. There will be some who adopt the his new position because White has. Sadly, there are those who respond that way to any number of public figures. In most cases that is not White's or any other public pastor-intellectual's fault. Individuals in multiple fields have over zealous fans. That's humanity.
...and Doug Wilson...I'm post-mill as well...James used to be an Elder at my church, and I've discussed the issue with him several times in the past. He always claimed that eschatology wasn't his strong suit, but he still went at Ken Gentry once in a back forth online discussion about Amill vs. Postmill.
Anyway, I am glad he's given the topic of eschatology a proper study but it's hard to not imagine that the shift was due primarily to pressure from Jeff Durbin.
I say this as someone who is tentatively Postmillenial myself.
Why? Our eschatology is not determined by what we see around us, but by what we read in Scripture.I think it's an interesting time for anyone to be going postmil.
Folks don't seem to grasp the concept of God's timeline, and that things are fluctuating throughout history, bad to worse, then good to better, but incrementally over the generations the Gospel is like leaven, slowly spreading throughout the whole earth... it doesn't seem that complicated once you step back and take a macro/meta view of time...Why? Our eschatology is not determined by what we see around us, but by what we read in Scripture.
I believe Alan worked for Dr. White years ago.I would like to see White debate someone like Alan Kurschner. In any case, I wonder if he adopted the traditional postmil view or the partial preterist variety.
I see the Kingdom as advancing and expanding even in the midst of trials and tribulations. The chart I created allows for drastic setbacks but the Kingdom advances still.I think it's an interesting time for anyone to be going postmil.
Absolutely, spot onI see the Kingdom as advancing and expanding even in the midst of trials and tribulations. The chart I created allows for drastic setbacks but the Kingdom advances still.
I believe Alan worked for Dr. White years ago.
I would also like to see a debate between them. Debates are often a great way to learn both sides (the assumption being both came prepared).He did. That would make it very interesting, since both are good debaters.
I can't help it. You mean we need a great reset?this planet needs a complete makeover at this point.
Many Puritans, Edwards, virtually all the Princetonians through Warfield, R. C. Sproul, Kenneth Gentry, Iain Murray? Either way, counting the noses of of the adherents of a position is hardly the right way to determine the correct view of anything.Amillennialism appears the most universally held by theological giants...
Again, eschatology is formed through exegesis of Scripture, not our worldly circumstances. And do you really think we live is a worse situation than Rome at the time of the Apostles, or Europe at the time of the Reformation, or Protestants under the reign of Mary? Even with all the troubles afflicting us, it is a difficult argument to make that we live in anything but one of the best times, if not the best time, in world history. The gospel, and thus the Kingdom, has farther reaches than it arguably ever has had.No way with the technology and depraved elite - this planet needs a complete makeover at this point. No way things are getting better.
Martyn Lloyd-Jones held to an optimistic Amill view. This gives you the best of both worlds - the realism of Amillennialism, and the optimism of Postmillennialism. Surely it is safe to have your feet in both camps.Many Puritans, Edwards, virtually all the Princetonians through Warfield, R. C. Sproul, Kenneth Gentry, Iain Murray? Either way, counting the noses of of the adherents of a position is hardly the right way to determine the correct view of anything.
Martyn Lloyd-Jones held to an optimistic Amill view. This gives you the best of both worlds - the realism of Amillennialism, and the optimism of Postmillennialism. Surely it is safe to have your feet in both camps.
I agree with that as well.While I believe things are getting worse--much, much worse--and postmil is mistaken, they aren't mistaken because of cultural reasons, but Scriptural.
LooneyWhat was Harold Camping?