John 5:26 "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also...."

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  1. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    I am looking for all the info I can find on this verse. How does it pertain to the Trinity, the Son's co-eternal and co-equal status to the Father, the ontological versus economic Trinity, the eternal generation of the Son.

    Richard Muller wrote this abut the "Persons" of the Trinity:

    However, I don't understand Muller's phrase above: "...the persons of the Son and Spirit have an origin..." What does he mean by "origin?" And why did the Father need to "grant" the Son anything in light of their co-eternal ontological natures?

    How do you address this verse in sermons?
  2. Ask Mr. Religion

    Ask Mr. Religion Flatly Unflappable

    "Origin" relates to: "They are distinct, however, in origin, in order, and in manner of operation, inasmuch as the Father is from himself (a se), the Son from the Father, and the Spirit from the Father and the Son; the Father is first, the Son second, and the Spirit third in order; and in internal operation, the Father acts a se, the Son from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son and the Father. (Wendelin, Christianae theologiae libri duo, I.ii.2 (3).)"

    Ontology speaks to the nature of being and not to the distinctive properties of the Persons of the Godhead. It is a poor analogy but just as men and women are equal ontologically, that is they are human beings, they each have distinctions of their personal properties (WLC #9-11).
  3. Peairtach

    Peairtach Puritan Board Doctor

    Christ is surely talking about the Theanthropos in His Mediatorial capacity.

  4. Cymro

    Cymro Puritan Board Junior

    Dr Reymond has 2 pages (325-6 ) on the subject, Turretin has references in a number of places( volume 3) Godet also less
    fully on the verse, Berkoff has P 93-95 on the eternal generation of the son, also Hutcheson in his commentary deals with the verse. They all show the several proofs that Christ gives in response to the charge by the Jews that He made himself
    equal with God. Christ rather than reproving or denying developes His self testimony further. Equality of actions sprung from equality of nature.
  5. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    I am looking for more resources on this. Thanks. A very deep topic.
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