John Hagee: No Need for Jesus

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  1. Dr Mike Kear

    Dr Mike Kear Puritan Board Freshman

    Wow. Check out these quotes.
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    “There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity... There are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.” (Source: Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, Pages 124-25, 127)

    "The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses… I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.” (Source: Julia Duin, "San Antonio Fundamentalist Battles Anti-Semitism," The Houston Chronicle)

    The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not.” (Source: Julia Duin, “San Antonio Fundamentalist Battles Anti-Semitism,” The Houston Chronicle)

    “If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see?” (Source: John Hagee, personal faxed correspondence to CRI, 18 October 1994, Page 3)

    "Jesus refused to produce a sign because it was not the Father’s will, nor his, to be Messiah." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p 138)

    "The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah; it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p. 140)

    "They wanted him to be their Messiah, but he flatly refused." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p. 141)

    "Jesus rejected to the last detail the role of Messiah in word or deed." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p. 145)
     
  2. Quickened

    Quickened Puritan Board Senior

    Yikes
     
  3. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    What a suprise for the fat man one day when he wakes up in the hell he fails to warn these poor jews about.
     
  4. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    :amen::banghead:
     
  5. Stephen

    Stephen Puritan Board Junior

    Hagee has been drinking too much koolaide :eek:
     
  6. Ivan

    Ivan Pastor

    And yet don't some evangelicals leaders acknowledge, support or endorse him?
     
  7. Dr Mike Kear

    Dr Mike Kear Puritan Board Freshman

    Evangelical and political, too.

    Awhile back I actually wrote letters to TBN and Kenneth Copeland basically asking them why they provided air time to Hagee since he doesn't believe that Jesus is Christ or that He is necessary for salvation if you have the right genes. TBN never responded. Copeland sent me a response saying that I'd need to contact Hagee if I thought there was something wrong with his theology, but KCM had no problem with it.
     
  8. raekwon

    raekwon Puritan Board Junior

    I don't see why this guy doesn't just emasculate himself.
     
  9. Ivan

    Ivan Pastor

     
  10. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    We live in a country where lots of people have "religious affections" but know nothing of God's truth nor His salvation. Matthew 7 was written for the United States it seems.
     
  11. Quickened

    Quickened Puritan Board Senior

    There are so many that are being decieved by this false teaching!! Let us pray for them
     
  12. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    I agree with Rae, it may sound harsh, BUT, I to wish he would do what is right and stop calling himself Christian and indeed, be "cut off".
     
  13. Amazing Grace

    Amazing Grace Puritan Board Junior

    “There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity... There are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.” (Source: Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, Pages 124-25, 127)

    He is so close with this one quote. I cant believe he believes in election. This surprised me.
     
  14. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    With respect my Brother, I think he might "define" election and like words in a way unlike ours!:2cents:
     
  15. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

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    AFLAC!
     
  16. Amazing Grace

    Amazing Grace Puritan Board Junior

    Perhaps, but as it stands, it is not off by much. My statement is not to say he has right theology, but if this was taken out: Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity. its actually something I may say!!! LOL Look at it with out that line..

    “There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”
     
  17. larryjf

    larryjf Puritan Board Senior

    May God in His mercy send a revival upon our spiritually barren land.
     
  18. Dr Mike Kear

    Dr Mike Kear Puritan Board Freshman

    Without any context, I'd say you are right on; this is very close to a correct statement. However, Hagee does not believe in any sort of election outside of the Jewish gene pool. In Hagee's soteriology, there is no unconditional salvific election for the Gentiles. Therefore the election he speaks of is genetic first and foremost.
     
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  19. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    Yes! This is what I was alluding to.
     
  20. Amazing Grace

    Amazing Grace Puritan Board Junior



    You know more about him than I do mike. I am just looking at this quote in a vaccuum. All I know is he is fat has a pastey looking face,and has a big head, therefore must be wrong in his theology..:lol:
     
  21. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    He does have big head! Never though about it before......
     
  22. Amazing Grace

    Amazing Grace Puritan Board Junior

    Thats' how I judge ones theology Max...:lol::lol: The circumference is enormous.
     
  23. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    :lol::lol::lol:! Nice!:)
     
  24. No Longer A Libertine

    No Longer A Libertine Puritan Board Senior

    I hear Hagee only teaches the "six" deadly sins as he has crossed out gluttony from the list.:smug:
     
  25. larryjf

    larryjf Puritan Board Senior

    Is it proper to make fun of the fact that he is overweight?
    There are plenty of theological errors that we could point out, why must we even enter into the topic of his weight?

    Would we be as equally critical of Martin Luther or Spurgeon about their weight?
     
  26. Amazing Grace

    Amazing Grace Puritan Board Junior

    Larry, it would take too much time to point out his errors. I agree the weight reference was unnessesary. Yet the pastey face and large head remains as the barometer.
     
  27. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    To be fair I never said a thing about his weight I said he had a BIG head! There is a diff!
     
  28. larryjf

    larryjf Puritan Board Senior

    I didn't say that you said anything about his weight.
     
  29. Davidius

    Davidius Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Mike Huckabee spoke at his "church."
     
  30. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    Hmmm my best Beavis voice: Huckabee is losing.
     
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