John Hagee: No Need for Jesus

Status
Not open for further replies.

Dr Mike Kear

Puritan Board Freshman
Wow. Check out these quotes.
____________________

“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity... There are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.” (Source: Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, Pages 124-25, 127)

"The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses… I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.” (Source: Julia Duin, "San Antonio Fundamentalist Battles Anti-Semitism," The Houston Chronicle)

The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not.” (Source: Julia Duin, “San Antonio Fundamentalist Battles Anti-Semitism,” The Houston Chronicle)

“If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see?” (Source: John Hagee, personal faxed correspondence to CRI, 18 October 1994, Page 3)

"Jesus refused to produce a sign because it was not the Father’s will, nor his, to be Messiah." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p 138)

"The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah; it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p. 140)

"They wanted him to be their Messiah, but he flatly refused." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p. 141)

"Jesus rejected to the last detail the role of Messiah in word or deed." (Source: Hagee, In Defense of Israel, p. 145)
 

Dr Mike Kear

Puritan Board Freshman
And yet don't some evangelicals leaders acknowledge, support or endorse him?
Evangelical and political, too.

Awhile back I actually wrote letters to TBN and Kenneth Copeland basically asking them why they provided air time to Hagee since he doesn't believe that Jesus is Christ or that He is necessary for salvation if you have the right genes. TBN never responded. Copeland sent me a response saying that I'd need to contact Hagee if I thought there was something wrong with his theology, but KCM had no problem with it.
 

Blueridge Believer

Puritan Board Professor
We live in a country where lots of people have "religious affections" but know nothing of God's truth nor His salvation. Matthew 7 was written for the United States it seems.
 

Amazing Grace

Puritan Board Junior
“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity... There are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.” (Source: Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, Pages 124-25, 127)

He is so close with this one quote. I cant believe he believes in election. This surprised me.
 

etexas

Puritan Board Doctor
“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity... There are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.” (Source: Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, Pages 124-25, 127)

He is so close with this one quote. I cant believe he believes in election. This surprised me.
With respect my Brother, I think he might "define" election and like words in a way unlike ours!:2cents:
 

Amazing Grace

Puritan Board Junior
“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity... There are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.” (Source: Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel?, Pages 124-25, 127)

He is so close with this one quote. I cant believe he believes in election. This surprised me.
With respect my Brother, I think he might "define" election and like words in a way unlike ours!:2cents:
Perhaps, but as it stands, it is not off by much. My statement is not to say he has right theology, but if this was taken out: Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity. its actually something I may say!!! LOL Look at it with out that line..

“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”
 

Dr Mike Kear

Puritan Board Freshman
Perhaps, but as it stands, it is not off by much. My statement is not to say he has right theology, but if this was taken out: Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity. its actually something I may say!!! LOL Look at it with out that line..

“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”
Without any context, I'd say you are right on; this is very close to a correct statement. However, Hagee does not believe in any sort of election outside of the Jewish gene pool. In Hagee's soteriology, there is no unconditional salvific election for the Gentiles. Therefore the election he speaks of is genetic first and foremost.
 
Last edited:

etexas

Puritan Board Doctor
Perhaps, but as it stands, it is not off by much. My statement is not to say he has right theology, but if this was taken out: Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity. its actually something I may say!!! LOL Look at it with out that line..

“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”
Without any context, I'd say you are right on; this is very close to a correct statement. However, Hagee does not believe in any sort of election outside of the Jewish gene pool. In Hagee's soteriology, there is no unconditional salvific election for the Gentiles. Therefore the election he speaks of is genetic first and foremost.
Yes! This is what I was alluding to.
 

Amazing Grace

Puritan Board Junior
Perhaps, but as it stands, it is not off by much. My statement is not to say he has right theology, but if this was taken out: Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity. its actually something I may say!!! LOL Look at it with out that line..

“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”
Without any context, I'd say you are right on; this is very close to a correct statement. However, Hagee does not believe in any sort of election outside of the Jewish gene pool. In Hagee's soteriology, there is no unconditional salvific election for the Gentiles. Therefore the election he speaks of is genetic first and foremost.


You know more about him than I do mike. I am just looking at this quote in a vaccuum. All I know is he is fat has a pastey looking face,and has a big head, therefore must be wrong in his theology..:lol:
 

etexas

Puritan Board Doctor
Perhaps, but as it stands, it is not off by much. My statement is not to say he has right theology, but if this was taken out: Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that ‘all the Jews are lost’ and can't be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity. its actually something I may say!!! LOL Look at it with out that line..

“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God… They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.”
Without any context, I'd say you are right on; this is very close to a correct statement. However, Hagee does not believe in any sort of election outside of the Jewish gene pool. In Hagee's soteriology, there is no unconditional salvific election for the Gentiles. Therefore the election he speaks of is genetic first and foremost.


You know more abpout him than I do mike. I am just looking at this quote in a vaccuum. All I know is he is fat has a pastey looking face,and has a big head, therefore must be wrong in his theology..:lol:
He does have big head! Never though about it before......
 

Amazing Grace

Puritan Board Junior
Without any context, I'd say you are right on; this is very close to a correct statement. However, Hagee does not believe in any sort of election outside of the Jewish gene pool. In Hagee's soteriology, there is no unconditional salvific election for the Gentiles. Therefore the election he speaks of is genetic first and foremost.


You know more abpout him than I do mike. I am just looking at this quote in a vaccuum. All I know is he is fat has a pastey looking face,and has a big head, therefore must be wrong in his theology..:lol:
He does have big head! Never though about it before......
Thats' how I judge ones theology Max...:lol::lol: The circumference is enormous.
 

larryjf

Puritan Board Senior
Is it proper to make fun of the fact that he is overweight?
There are plenty of theological errors that we could point out, why must we even enter into the topic of his weight?

Would we be as equally critical of Martin Luther or Spurgeon about their weight?
 

Amazing Grace

Puritan Board Junior
Is it proper to make fun of the fact that he is overweight?
There are plenty of theological errors that we could point out, why must we even enter into the topic of his weight?

Would we be as equally critical of Martin Luther or Spurgeon about their weight?
Larry, it would take too much time to point out his errors. I agree the weight reference was unnessesary. Yet the pastey face and large head remains as the barometer.
 

etexas

Puritan Board Doctor
Is it proper to make fun of the fact that he is overweight?
There are plenty of theological errors that we could point out, why must we even enter into the topic of his weight?

Would we be as equally critical of Martin Luther or Spurgeon about their weight?
To be fair I never said a thing about his weight I said he had a BIG head! There is a diff!
 

larryjf

Puritan Board Senior
Is it proper to make fun of the fact that he is overweight?
There are plenty of theological errors that we could point out, why must we even enter into the topic of his weight?

Would we be as equally critical of Martin Luther or Spurgeon about their weight?
To be fair I never said a thing about his weight I said he had a BIG head! There is a diff!
I didn't say that you said anything about his weight.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top