Jonathan Edwards on prophecy

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  1. openairboy

    openairboy Puritan Board Freshman

    A friend of mine claims that Jonathan Edwards was the Jack Van Impe of his day. He claimed that the majority of the works that we read by Edwards was pre-"prophecy Jack Van Impe-style", but wanted to fight the Catholics and stuff like that later in his life.

    Has anyone heard or read anything suggesting this?

  2. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    I'll talk to DH and have him get back at ya on this one. We have a friend at Covenant Seminary that might know this one.

    (off subject) Is Providence the in city church plant that Twin Oaks has going?
  3. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Ask him what he has specifically read. Jack Van Impe is a nut crazed Hyper Dipensationalist who keeps updating his outdated updates. Edwards wasn't like that. Ask him if he ever read 'Sinners in the hands' or 'Freedom of the will', or 'Discourses of the Savior' etc. He did do some writing on the Apocolypse during his early years.

    [Edited on 1-6-2005 by puritancovenanter]
  4. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

    :lol: :up:
  5. openairboy

    openairboy Puritan Board Freshman

    For clarity: not in the strictly Dispensational sense, but in the running to the "newspaper" sort of sense. I think this makes some sense considering he was an historicist and, to my knowledge, saw the millennium on the horizon, but acted like there were some less known sources from later in Edwards' life suggesting an highly apocolyptic outlook.

    He would acknowledge those Edwards' works, but see it as being early in his life, which he claims most are familiar with.

    One of the kickers is that he is repeating this stuff second hand, so he can't specifically point me to sources.

  6. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    Can't believe I used to watch this guy when I first married...waiting up for dh to get off of work.

    Occasionally dh tries to turn it on to be funny...full well knowing that I WILL throw something!:lol:
  7. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

    Colleen, I used to not only watch him, but take notes!
  8. Ranger

    Ranger Puritan Board Freshman

    Both Edwards and Van Impe have memorized a lot of Scripture. But only Edwards seems to understand it.
  9. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

    Stop, you're killing me!:lol:
  10. Irishcat922

    Irishcat922 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Roxella is quite the astute co-anchor though!:p
  11. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor


    At least I was only cross-stitching! Had them on for noise...and between him and Roxella, they could sure make alot of it!
  12. Ranger

    Ranger Puritan Board Freshman

    Can you imagine an episode of JVI with Edwards on it? I doubt he would make it through the entire thirty minutes without either exploding or just leaving.
  13. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

    Well, that note taking is what made me realize how silly he was being. I remained Premill, but when I looked up all those verses he quoted I was like :um: "How does he come to that conclusion?"

    I knew JVI was a little "out there" before I left dispensationalism.
  14. Ivan

    Ivan Pastor

    Hmmm...Jack Van Impe...Jonathan Edwards...hmmm...which one to read....hmmm...let's see some guy on TV with a funny hairdo or the greatest American theologian EVER!! Hmmm...I'm so confused...I don't know who to choose.....

  15. openairboy

    openairboy Puritan Board Freshman

    Anyone have anything on the original question? I believe Jack is confused, but I don't think he is a charlatan like the TBN folk.

    P.S. Flynt, who is DH?
  16. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    DH is online lingo for darling husband
    dc is dear children
    dd dear daughter
    ds dear son
    mil and fil and sil and bil mother in law, father in law, and so on and so forth

    My dh is seen on here as "street preacher"
  17. sastark

    sastark Puritan Board Graduate

    My impression of Jack Van Impe:
    **Seth Clears His Throat**

    Jack: In today's news, we see that another bus was bombed in Israel, Daniel 14:23. Also, the UN today approved sanctions against Sudan, Jeremaiah 19:3.

    Roxella: Well, Jack, that certainly is interesting.

    Jack: The Dow closed up 15 points, Revelation 7:3.

    Roxella: Amen.


    Anyway, me and a couple of friends used to watch this show just for the pure comedic value. Have you ever tried to look up the verses he gives as "proof" texts? THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, EVER!

    That, too me, was the funniest part. I mean, I could have my own TV show where I read the paper and randomly threw out Scripture references, too, I suppose.

    "Hmm, the Kings beat the Lakers today, John 9:16."
  18. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

  19. sastark

    sastark Puritan Board Graduate

    Oh, and to address the original question, has this friend of yours ever read Edwards? Comparing him to Van Impe is like comparing apples and really, really bad, rotten apples.

    Edwards based his interpretations of prophecy on Scripture, not the "newspapers" of his day. Your friend needs to either provide specific examples of places he believes Edwards was acting like Van Impe, or he needs to stop making outlandish accusations like this. It's slanderous to a godly man (and I don't mean Van Impe).
  20. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry Scott I can't Resist.
  21. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Seriously Keith,

    I believe Edwards was taken by the Apocolypse early but Pastoral duties pulled him to the mature writings most of us appreciate him for.
  22. Ranger

    Ranger Puritan Board Freshman

    When I see DH I think of one thing. The hated designated hitter rule.
  23. Ivan

    Ivan Pastor

    The designated hitter is for wimps.
  24. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Boy this sure has a lot to do with Jonathon Edwards being an ancient JVI.

    What is the designated hitter?

    [Edited on 1-7-2005 by puritancovenanter]
  25. openairboy

    openairboy Puritan Board Freshman

    I think every young man that gets interested in the Lord and even the curious is attracted to the apocolypse.

    The DH is the designated hitter. Do you know what a designated drive is? It is sort of like that, but in baseball. A designated driver is the person who is set apart to drive, because other individuals are unable. The designated hitter is set apart to hit for those that are unable.

    It's a baseball rule in the American League that allows you to substitute a field player for a player off the bench when it is the field player's turn to bat. A team usually sits their pitcher, because he is the worst hitter, and has some high percentage batter come off the bench to hit for him. Like a pitch hitter, but bats every time.

    Wow. That is the most unclarifying way to explain the dh, but I know of no other way. I hope that helps.

  26. Robin

    Robin Puritan Board Junior

    Does anybody want a real answer to the question? (We're studying this right now: Puritan eschatology.) I won't contribute if there's no serious interest...

  27. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    There is serious interest...but we just all HAD to have SOME fun with this one...the idea...the comparison...

    Go ahead...It'll help the discussion side of things...
  28. Robin

    Robin Puritan Board Junior

    Thanks Colleen! (Gurlfriend!)

    First off, I enjoy watching the blasphemous teachers I was once enthralled with, once upon a time --- hooboy - God is so merciful!

    These days, we're studying the Antichrist - through the Redemptive Historical/Reformed grid...and it is fascinating.

    Yes...Edwards was into date setting and all sorts of endtimes speculation. The Jack VI reference is not so funny when we also note that the Apostles were trying to do the SAME thing in Acts 1. (!) The Apostles were dispensationalists!! But....

    Jesus yells at them for this....He apparently had a different agenda for them - to focus on the Gospel.

    Now about Edwards, et al. These guys were hugely impacted by current events - the Papacy ran the world power system: Spanish Armada; English civil war raged; gold from the New World fueled Spain -- all of it governed by the Pope. The English queen was Spanish -- and 100's of thousands of Reformed Christians were killed by the Roman Catholic church. (Forgive this cryptic/brief history.) But the point is --- how could any literate Christian NOT correlate such scary times with what they read in Revelation? IF, they only thought Revelation - as literature, was only prophecy?

    Anybody hearing this? Again - what IF Revelation is a different kind of literature than what most folks think -- that's going to change what it means.

    Gotta go for now -- but if anyone wants to know more....I'll do another post.

    Robin :detective:
  29. Ranger

    Ranger Puritan Board Freshman

    I would think that a traditional Historicist interpretation (do we have any of those guys on this board, btw?) would require almost a newspaper theology type of understanding since history is constantly changing, and therefore must our understandings of the apocalypse.
  30. Ranger

    Ranger Puritan Board Freshman

    First, I would question whether they interpreted it solely as prophecy in this manner. I don't have anywhere to look it up atm, but I would have to assume that the various interpretive methods of the book showed up throughout puritan eschatology as well.

    Second, I'm in a Revelation class this week and posed a similar type of question concerning the modern persecutions/tribulations of the church, but in response to a different system. It strikes me as odd that so many people can look at the Revelation as solely Futurist whenever there are Christians in Rwanda who are currently "living through" the images in Revelation.
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