Logos 10 on the Ipad Mini 5 and 6 (continuous scroll mode)

[biblesword]

I just wanted to mention, since the logos device survey thread is locked, that Logos 10 in continuous scrolling mode runs well on Ipad Mini 5th generation with ipad os version 15. Scrolling is fast and pretty smooth given its 60hz refresh rate without any noticeable stuttering. The faithlife ebooks version of logos runs even smoother -- more like you would expect an ebook reader to perform. The 1st generation apple pencil, in my opinion, is slightly laggy when using Apple's Notes application. In contrast, the 2nd generation apple pencil on the ipad pro 11 2018 feels like realtime speeds (as if you are actually drawing on paper). If you like to write on your tablet, and you don't get nauseated by the jelly scrolling on the ipad mini 6, then I would recommend getting that tablet instead or getting the Ipad Pro 11 2018 (which has 120hz refresh rate).

As for jelly scrolling, I noticed that the ipad mini 5 shows it slightly when you are in landscape mode and even the Ipad Pro 11 2018 shows it if you look carefully. For me personally, I am going to go with the ipad mini 6 even though its jelly scrolling is the worst so I can take notes without any noticeable delay and be able to scroll back and forth between passages quickly in Logos. I don't like jelly scrolling but I think I can learn to live with it.

 

[John The Baptist]

Jelly scrolling?

 

[Polanus1561]

mini 6 is worth it because of the better pencil that charges automatically. it also has a larger screen

 

[biblesword]

Jelly scrolling?

Here's a good explanation of what it is and why it happens: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/ifixit-ipad-mini-teardown-jelly-scroll/. I'd say it's analogous to the "rubber pencil trick" in that the refresh of the pixels horizontally line-by-line makes the ipad seem like the screen is bouncy when you are scrolling. The effect is more pronounced if you scroll back-and-forth at a certain rate. Some people feel sick because of it.

 

[biblesword]

At the risk of sounding fickle (which I probably am), I ended up sticking with the Ipad Mini 5. I put the following tablets side-by-side: ipad mini 6, ipad mini 5, Lenovo Y700 Tablet, Ipad Pro 11 2018 and compared them all. I took video with my phone but it failed to capture the relative nuances of scrolling (probably the capture frame-rate is too low so it smooths out the scrolling). The Ipad Pro 11 runs everything perfectly but it's relatively big and heavy. The Lenovo has the best screen quality and reading ebooks is wonderful but it has the worst Logos scrolling performance (except for ipad mini 6). The ipad mini 6 is the worst at everything in terms of scrolling.

The jellyscrolling was not just a rubbery optical illusion but it actually made the ipad mini 6 feel choppy and slow even though in reality it was computing fast. I ended up reselling it. Compared to the other tablets I just couldn't get away from the ipad mini 6 fast enough. It's the worst tablet I've ever used and I'm not saying that lightly. Apple's ios is designed so that when you touch the screen everything stops and gives the UI-rendering top priority. In contrast, Android devices just have a normal high-priority UI thread. The result is that Apple devices generally have much smoother scrolling than Android. However, the paradigm seems to be broken with the ipad mini 6. Maybe the mini 7 will return to the smooth UI paradigm. For now, the Ipad Mini 5 seems to be an acceptable way to use Logos and still be able to scroll and jump around to different resources without feeling like everything is lagging and choppy. Plus, you can get a Mini 5 on ebay for around 200$.

If I were to do it over again, I would not invest in Logos. I would just purchase the ebook versions of the commentaries. I didn't want to be required to invest in the latest technology just to use Logos' bloated analogy to ebooks.

 

[Polanus1561]

At the risk of sounding fickle (which I probably am), I ended up sticking with the Ipad Mini 5. I put the following tablets side-by-side: ipad mini 6, ipad mini 5, Lenovo Y700 Tablet, Ipad Pro 11 2018 and compared them all. I took video with my phone but it failed to capture the relative nuances of scrolling (probably the capture frame-rate is too low so it smooths out the scrolling). The Ipad Pro 11 runs everything perfectly but it's relatively big and heavy. The Lenovo has the best screen quality and reading ebooks is wonderful but it has the worst Logos scrolling performance (except for ipad mini 6). The ipad mini 6 is the worst at everything in terms of scrolling.

The jellyscrolling was not just a rubbery optical illusion but it actually made the ipad mini 6 feel choppy and slow even though in reality it was computing fast. I ended up reselling it. Compared to the other tablets I just couldn't get away from the ipad mini 6 fast enough. It's the worst tablet I've ever used and I'm not saying that lightly. Apple's ios is designed so that when you touch the screen everything stops and gives the UI-rendering top priority. In contrast, Android devices just have a normal high-priority UI thread. The result is that Apple devices generally have much smoother scrolling than Android. However, the paradigm seems to be broken with the ipad mini 6. Maybe the mini 7 will return to the smooth UI paradigm. For now, the Ipad Mini 5 seems to be an acceptable way to use Logos and still be able to scroll and jump around to different resources without feeling like everything is lagging and choppy. Plus, you can get a Mini 5 on ebay for around 200$.

If I were to do it over again, I would not invest in Logos. I would just purchase the ebook versions of the commentaries. I didn't want to be required to invest in the latest technology just to use Logos' bloated analogy to ebooks.

Your mileage with the kindle app must be different from mine. It freezes often and cannot hand 1000page books easily. Further, kindle app cannot do a bible linked with the commentary which is huge.

 

[biblesword]

I'm using the Apple Books app and Kindle App on Apple devices. For Android, I'm using something called ReadEra which is really good for those epub books on Monergism.org (and also Kindle). E-Sword seems to be fast on any device. It's free and does the Bible linked with the commentary.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Instead of relying upon the Logos reader, you can copy 100 pages of text at a time into a Word Doc. It takes a little bit of time, but even a 1000-page book can be copied over in about 30 minutes.

The trick is to open the resource then go to print and select the sections on the left that you want to print. The Print feature maxes out at 100 pages so you have to back off your selections until you're at under 100 pages. You can then copy the formatted text into the Word document.

Once you have a gigantic Word doc, you can convert it to ePub or Mobi in Calibre. The iBooks app displays ePub pretty well. Because I am visually impaired, I import the ePub into a Text to Speech program and listen to them.

 

[biblesword]

How do you get the text to appear nicely? Do you put it into a LaTeX template or something? Does Calibre handle the rest?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

How do you get the text to appear nicely? Do you put it into a LaTeX template or something? Does Calibre handle the rest?

If you copy it into Word, it appears "nicely". You can save that as PDF if you want to read that in iBooks as well.

If you haven't tried Calibre, it's actually really nice. You import the file as a Word doc and then you can convert it to many formats. You can also import ePub books you have and convert them to Word or PDF as you like.