Looking for book about origin of Catholic Doctrines...

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  1. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    I'm looking for the name of the book that traces the origin of each Catholic doctrine.
    It goes through the immaculate conception, prayers of saints, extreme unction, mass, etc...and discovers its origin and development.

    I think it was written in the late 1800s originally...maybe 1900s...not sure.

    Thanks for your help.

  2. BLM

    BLM Puritan Board Freshman

  3. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Moderator Staff Member

  4. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    I don't think so. Ott is Catholic.

    I'm looking for the book from that traces the history of each doctrine and shows they weren't there from the beginning of the Church.

    Thanks for your help, however.

  5. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Thanks!...I'm not sure...I think it is too recent.

    I remember seeing a reproduction of the book I'm looking for in a hardcover slipcase.
    I think the original was from the 1800's perhaps, but this was a reproduction...hmmm.
  6. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Senior

    Edward Denny's Papalism?
  7. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Senior

    J. A. Wylie, The Papacy: Its History, Dogmas, Genius and Prospects
  8. alexandermsmith

    alexandermsmith Puritan Board Sophomore

  9. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritanboard Amanuensis

    You won't find one single book that adequately explains the origins of each dogma. Such a book would run a dozen volumes.

    However, I would avoid the Protestant versions of Catholic apologists. What book's logical rigor would pass the muster of an academic peer-reviewed board? I"m not saying that we have to appease secular academics (ironically, the heads of Oxford publishing sub depts in religion are almost always Christians). I am saying that academic peer-reviewed boards will spot soft and weak arguments.

    I'd start with Schaff.
  10. BLM

    BLM Puritan Board Freshman

    Gotcha. The second half of what you are looking for (underlined above) was absent from your OP or I definitely wouldn't have recommended a Catholic dogmatician to you! Lol. Happy hunting my friend!
  11. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Don't remember this being the one...but it is the right age.
  12. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Not sure...thanks for helping.
  13. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

  14. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Sorry that the OP wasn't clear...your help was much appreciated.
  15. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Well...I just found one online a few days ago that traced the origins of each major Catholic belief, and now I can't locate it. I almost made the purchase. It was in a hardcover slipcase, I think. I thought it might be too old to be relevant, being pre-vatican II, but then figured it might still be good b/c it traced the origins of the Immaculate Conception, extreme unction, etc, and found what years they came about and how.

    Thanks for your help though.
  16. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritanboard Amanuensis

    That's a good example of where a historical theology text helps the most. Duns Scotus believed in it, while Thomas Aquinas, interestingly enough, did not.
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  17. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Actually, I think this is the one I'm looking for!!

    The description here looks familiar - https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/The_Papal_System_1000330555

    "From Its Origin to the Present Time, a Historical Sketch of Every Doctrine, Claim, and Practice of the Church of Rome"

    Thanks for your help...now I just have to find where I saw the book for sale!

  18. Phil D.

    Phil D. Puritan Board Junior

  19. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Found the book I was looking for and it arrived yesterday!

    The Papal System from its origin to the present time. A historical sketch of every doctrine, claim and practice of the Church of Rome, by William Cathcart, written in 1872, reprinted by the Baptist Heritage Press in 1989. 471 pages

    Not sure how good it will be...but it looks promising.


    For those interested, the Table of Contents is below, and here is a short bio on the author: http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/cathcart.william.bio.html

    "The objects aimed at in this work are to sketch the birth, growth, and maturity of every Romish belief and practice; to furnish a contrast between papal and ancient Christianity, to present all decrees, canons, and other testimonies in their original languages and in translations; to show the bearings of popery upon some of our cherished institutions; to describe the present observances of the Catholic Church; and to give reliable, and generally, Romish authorities for every important statement; together with the pages, or the books and chapters, by which quotations can be verified. This treatise is entirely undenominational..."

    I. Papal Supremacy Over The Churches.
    A. The Ancient British Church.
    B. The Popes have no power in the Irish Church for many centuries after Christ.
    C. The Ancient Scotch Church.
    D. Councils for seven centuries repudiate Papal jurisdiction - The Council of Nice.
    E. Council of Sardica.
    F. Constantinople
    G. Ephesus
    H. Chalcedon
    I. The Fifth General Council met at Constantinople
    J. The Sixth General Council was held in Constantinople
    K. Another Council held in the same city
    L. Bishops and Presbyters the same offices
    M. The equality of all Bishops
    N. The means by which the Pope became sovereign of all Catholic Churches
    II. The Pope claims to be lord of kings and governments
    III. The Council of Trent
    IV. Baptism
    V. Confirmation
    VI. The Lord's Supper, The Eucharist, The Mass
    VII. The Confessional
    VIII. Extreme Unction
    IX. The Sacrament of Holy Orders
    X. Marriage
    XI. The Celibacy of the Clergy
    XII. Catholic Justification
    XIII. Purgatory
    XIV. Indulgences
    XV. The Worship of Relics
    XVI. Miracles
    XVII. Invocation and worship of Saints and Angels
    XVIII. The worship of the Virgin Mary
    XIX. The worship of images
    XX. Papal infallibility and the Council of 1870
    XXI. The freedom of the press
    XXII. Intention in the Priest necessary to the validity of a Sacrament
    XXIII. Secret societies
    XXIV. The family and public worship, and the books of Protestants
    XXV. The Catholic Church and public education
    XXVI. Sins taken away by gifts and favors
    XXVII. No salvation for Protestants
    XXVIII. The Mass in Latin
    XXIX. Sincerity of Catholic Priests
    XXX. Hymns and those who composed them
    XXXI. Roman Catholics who were worthy of all honor
    XXXII. The Inquisition
    XXXIII. The Scriptures
    XXXIV. The four great founders of Monkish Institutions
    XXXV. The Jesuits
    Appendix - The Creed of Pope Pius IV; the form of faith binding on all the Clergy of the Catholic Church

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