My church is having a woman preach next Sunday.

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  1. Jonathan95

    Jonathan95 Puritan Board Freshman

    I am in a real pickle here. I ended up in a conversation after today’s service about how I believe that it’s wrong to go against the Scriptures and let a woman preach on the Lord’s day. My pastor says that it’s only wrong for a woman to teach authoritatively to men but that she is under the elders’ authority when she preaches.

    Another guy I talked with told me that because women were allowed to prophesy in church, Paul couldn’t have meant that all women were required to remain silent in church regardless of circumstance.

    I didn’t know what to say. I’m very confused on this subject. Can any of you offer assistance to me please?
     
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  2. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritan Board Doctor

    I'm sorry to hear of your dilemma. What denominational church is this?

    Did your elders use the term 'preach' in regards to what she will be doing? If so, they need to take out their scriptures again as I believe they have missed the passages about elders, being men.

    As well, the fact that men will be sitting at her feet says much. The pulpit itself is an authoritative position.
     
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  3. Jonathan95

    Jonathan95 Puritan Board Freshman

    My church is Non-denominational.

    My pastors say that women cannot be elders.
    But they say that women can preach for the reasons mentioned above.
     
  4. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    Probably time to start working on the logistics of getting to the OPC church in North Andover or Ipswich. Even any of the PCA churches should be a better bet.
     
  5. Jonathan95

    Jonathan95 Puritan Board Freshman

    I mean if I had a car sure
     
  6. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    As far as the immediate, if you attend at all, I would walk out and sit in the lobby till she's done. If you have a family, take them out with you.
     
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  7. TheOldCourse

    TheOldCourse Puritan Board Sophomore

    I'm sure you can find someone in one of those congregations who lives near you and would be willing to give you a ride. I've seen it often and provided rides myself on occasion. Contact the pastors and see if they can point you in the right direction.
     
  8. Jonathan95

    Jonathan95 Puritan Board Freshman

    Yea that’s a good idea.
     
  9. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    It would probably be wise to try to go somewhere else next week.
     
  10. OPC'n

    OPC'n Puritan Board Doctor

    I agree with Chris’ advice on the day she speaks to the congregation . She’s not preaching because before God she’s not allowed to preach, so she’s basically blaspheming God. I wouldn’t want to be in the same room with her as she does that
     
  11. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    I remembered that as an issue, which is one reason I suggested an early start on logistics rather than the usual 'head to .... next Sunday'.

     
  12. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    You could walk out of the service, as some have suggested. I wonder how they might respond to that, though. I don't know the church, but some might make things very uncomfortable if you oppose them.

    Be praying for the elders and pastor.

    In any case, it is probably best to look for another church, one that does not seek to compromise with culture.
     
  13. Von

    Von Puritan Board Freshman

    This is a powerful statement. Thanks for that.
     
  14. C. Matthew McMahon

    C. Matthew McMahon Christian Preacher

    In light of this saddening post - here are a few reasons Jeremiah Burroughs gives about the importance of true worship over idolatry considering Lev. 10:3:
    Observation 1. There must be nothing in God’s worship, but what he has commanded.
    Observation 6. Those ministers that enter into public places have need of the fear of God.
    Observation 9. God is very quick with some in the way of judgment.
    Observation 11. The Lord is terrible out of his holy places.
    Observation 12. God’s judgments are often suitable to men’s sins.
    Observation 13. We should take heed of bringing strange fire to God’s service.
     
  15. TylerRay

    TylerRay Puritan Board Senior

    Here's the website for the RPCNA in Cambridge. I'd advise calling and seeing if anyone lives nearby and can pick you up.
    http://www.reformedprescambridge.com/

    You're in my prayers.
     
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  16. Silas22

    Silas22 Puritan Board Freshman

    I would definitely not attend that Sunday. Find yourself a confessionally sound church.
     
  17. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Confessing Baptist and most other Baptists would see that only a duly ordained/authorized party shall preach from the pulpit, and that would be only men.
     
  18. lynnie

    lynnie Puritan Board Senior

    I am so sorry. These situations are very hard. It is like an emotional blow when the elders permit such things.

    I think that you will find that there are even bigger concerns than the fact that the preacher is a woman. Generally in a case like this, the actual content of what she says is "off" in significant areas, most likely in the direction of Joyce Meyer or something modern and funky charismatic (and I am a continuationist). If she has sermons online, or a website or FB page, you could take a quick look to see if anything jumps out.

    The only possible exceptions I know of are a couple evangelical Lutheran assistant pastors who stick to the Lutheran liturgy and the pastor is a man. I say possible due to my limited acquaitance with them. But most of the time there are doctrinal errors in addition to the gender subject.
     
  19. beloved7

    beloved7 Puritan Board Freshman

    We all know what 1 Timothy 2:12 says; I truly am sorry that you are going through this. If it were my church, I would be heart broken. Make sure that the elders know how you feel, stand for biblical truth always.
     
  20. Josh Williamson

    Josh Williamson Puritan Board Freshman

    I feel your pain mate. My home church decided to allow a woman to preach about six months ago. The decision they made split the church leadership and caused no end of trouble in the congregation (we are still feeling the impact).

    My response on the night was to walk out, and then to lodge a formal complaint with the church leadership. At a leadership level they've decided it won't happen again.

    Praying for you mate.
     
  21. jambo

    jambo Puritan Board Senior

    I would not show discourtesy by walking out but I just would not attend. I would however inform the leadership as to why you will not be there. The idea that the speaker is there because the elders invited her and she is under their authority is just nonsense and an attempt to try and justify herself. Just because elders give their permission does not mean they are right.
     
  22. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Pastors and Elders authority cannot be used to override the authority of the scriptures.
     
  23. RBachman

    RBachman Puritan Board Freshman

    I would recommend against making a scene. Most of us, as churchmen, have sworn an oath to uphold the peace and unity of our local church (your mileage may vary). Grandstanding, when you know it is coming, is not in keeping with such an oath. I would certainly pop up and exit if I were surprised by this.

    The recommendations to not come, tell your elders why, and seek another church - all seem sound and respectful to me. Such a thing should not be viewed as a minor whoops (Latin, look it up) it is a clear statement of intent to apostatize. Even if the elders later apologized, made a show of repentance, etc., I would not believe it.

    Jonathan, 1Cor10:13-14 sems applicable, so I will pray for you this week to find a way of escaping to a God-honoring, Scripture-obedient church.
     
  24. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    If one is really offended by having a woman allowed to preach in the pulpit, should be allowed to not attend, and communicate displeasure to their elders.
     
  25. Jack K

    Jack K Puritan Board Professor

    One time, I walked out of a service with my family. It was in response to something unexpected that I not only felt was inappropriate but might be harmful to my kids. I hated having to do that, and hoped no one thought anything of it. I had no desire to make or scene or a statement by walking out. There are better ways to communicate concerns.

    If you don't plan to listen to the sermon, its best not to attend at all. Be glad your church gave notice in advance.
     
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