NASA turns to religious scholars to prepare humanity for alien contact

RamistThomist

Puritanboard Clerk
Earlier alien accounts were of green men from the moon. Now they are of Grey men from Alpha Centauri. They are updating as our awareness increases. "Alien encounters" match what earlier generations would have called demonic or cryptid experiences. Moreover, when Alistair Crowley channeled Lam, it looked just like a grey.
 

Ryan&Amber2013

Puritan Board Senior
And what is the reality? You saw something and you’ve heard reports of other people seeing something, and you’ve even seen videos and stuff put out by others and by the government. Fine and good. But as always, we need a theological approach to how we think and speak about these things. Do you have any thoughts on the issues raised earlier re: the fact that any intelligent being must be a rational soul created in God’s image; and if that being is not an angel or a devil, it can only be one of us?
I will admit that it is difficult to fit aliens into my biblical worldview. But it is not out of the question. God neither affirms or denies this topic in the bible. It sounds like if you found out there were aliens, you would then have to disregard the bible. My thinking is not along these lines. I believe God was silent on this topic, so if it is a reality, I'll just have to work it into my biblical framework.

I just don't want to see any of us Christians be ignorant or arrogant about possible realities. I don't think we should have this mentality: "Nicholas Copernicus and Galileo Galilei were two scientists who printed books that later became banned. Copernicus faced no persecution when he was alive because he died shortly after publishing his book. Galileo, on the other hand, was tried by the Inquisition after his book was published. Both scientists held the same theory that the Earth revolved around the sun, a theory now known to be true. However, the Church disapproved of this theory because the Holy Scriptures state that the Earth is at the center, not the Sun. As the contents of the Bible were taken literally, the publishing of these books proved, to the Church, that Copernicus and Galileo were sinners; they preached, through their writing, that the Bible was wrong."

That was from a website.

One of my favorite authors, who is a Presbyterian from the 1800s, J.R. Miller, wrote in a devotional the possibility of other beings on other planets. I don't think it's really that strange of stuff. God has infinite power and infinite capabilities. He has unveiled a lot to us about this world and the plan of salvation, but beyond that we do not know.

I am always open-minded about this stuff, and willing to change, but this is just where the evidence has led me now. But I would ask you all, are you willing to change your theology if there is enough evidence? In my life I have really learned that all humans get a lot of things wrong all the time.
 

A.Joseph

Puritan Board Junior
Earlier alien accounts were of green men from the moon. Now they are of Grey men from Alpha Centauri. They are updating as our awareness increases. "Alien encounters" match what earlier generations would have called demonic or cryptid experiences. Moreover, when Alistair Crowley channeled Lam, it looked just like a grey.
CERN? https://www.wsj.com/articles/cern-i...-maybe-opening-the-portals-of-hell-1459800113

I remember reading about that guy Jack Pasrsons….. yikes! https://www.wired.co.uk/article/jpl-jack-parsons
“Parsons came to believe in magic, a force that he felt could be explained through quantum physics.”

From Kinsey (to Darwin?) to Fauci…. The experts really toe the ethical lines.
 
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RamistThomist

Puritanboard Clerk

RamistThomist

Puritanboard Clerk
I will admit that it is difficult to fit aliens into my biblical worldview. But it is not out of the question. God neither affirms or denies this topic in the bible. It sounds like if you found out there were aliens, you would then have to disregard the bible. My thinking is not along these lines. I believe God was silent on this topic, so if it is a reality, I'll just have to work it into my biblical framework.

I just don't want to see any of us Christians be ignorant or arrogant about possible realities. I don't think we should have this mentality: "Nicholas Copernicus and Galileo Galilei were two scientists who printed books that later became banned. Copernicus faced no persecution when he was alive because he died shortly after publishing his book. Galileo, on the other hand, was tried by the Inquisition after his book was published. Both scientists held the same theory that the Earth revolved around the sun, a theory now known to be true. However, the Church disapproved of this theory because the Holy Scriptures state that the Earth is at the center, not the Sun. As the contents of the Bible were taken literally, the publishing of these books proved, to the Church, that Copernicus and Galileo were sinners; they preached, through their writing, that the Bible was wrong."

That was from a website.

One of my favorite authors, who is a Presbyterian from the 1800s, J.R. Miller, wrote in a devotional the possibility of other beings on other planets. I don't think it's really that strange of stuff. God has infinite power and infinite capabilities. He has unveiled a lot to us about this world and the plan of salvation, but beyond that we do not know.

I am always open-minded about this stuff, and willing to change, but this is just where the evidence has led me now. But I would ask you all, are you willing to change your theology if there is enough evidence? In my life I have really learned that all humans get a lot of things wrong all the time.

Even granting the logical possibility of it, the evidence for exo-biological life on other planets is pretty small. The anthropic principle (and other angles on fine-tuning) almost certainly rule it out. See Hugh Ross's Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men. Also, the Fermi paradox.


The problem with interstellar travel:

Traveling at half the velocity of light, it would take nine years to reach the nearest star. But we aren’t going to the nearest star. We have to find an earth-like one that could support life. That would take at least fifty light years.

The faster you move through space, the more damage debris does to the craft. The slower you move, the longer it takes. That’s the insurmountable problem. If you armor the craft, then you need extra propellant. That makes the craft faster, which means you need more armor, which means you need extra propellant for the extra propellant.
 

A.Joseph

Puritan Board Junior
The CERN angle is interesting and I think there is something to it, but Crowley (and maybe Lovecraft) was channeling "entities" long before CErn.
On a loosely related note, Kary Mullis was tripping on LSD when he conceived the PCR…. These experts are a strange brew.

“The moment of discovery, as Mullis described it in his memoir, seemed psychedelic. “Lurid blue and pink images of electric molecules injected themselves somewhere between the mountain road and my eyes,” he wrote. Later on, in a BBC interview, Mullis wondered, if not for LSD, would he have been creative enough to have invented PCR? “I don’t know. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it,” he said. https://elemental.medium.com/the-no...matic-scientist-who-invented-pcr-26b6678ccd46
 
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RamistThomist

Puritanboard Clerk
On a loosely related note, Kary Mullis was tripping on LSD when he conceived the PCR…. These experts are a strange brew

“The moment of discovery, as Mullis described it in his memoir, seemed psychedelic. “Lurid blue and pink images of electric molecules injected themselves somewhere between the mountain road and my eyes,” he wrote. Later on, in a BBC interview, Mullis wondered, if not for LSD, would he have been creative enough to have invented PCR? “I don’t know. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it,” he said. https://elemental.medium.com/the-no...matic-scientist-who-invented-pcr-26b6678ccd46

LSD opens a gateway for them. Look up Steve Bancarz. He used to be a big New Ager and then converted. Lots of good videos.
 

A.Joseph

Puritan Board Junior
DISCLAIMER: Don’t do drugs!!!!!

@BayouHuguenot found it….
“Of all the psychedelics he's a fan of, his favorite is DMT, which Hunter S. Thompson once said was “like being shot out of a cannon.” Rogan loves it, thinks everyone could benefit from it, often uses his podcast to fulminate positively on its various perception-enhancing benefits.”
 
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Puritan Sailor

Puritan Board Doctor
I can't remember the passage now in Screwtape letters, but C.S. Lewis speculated (via Screwtape) that the demons would eventually reintroduce themselves into the modern age as "powers" in the universe, or perhaps as aliens. Certainly, you can see modern entertainment preparing the way for that to become plausible to the modern mind.
 

Osnah

Puritan Board Freshman
Also, the Fermi paradox.
This is what I have always used to explain away the possibility of life on other planets. Personally, I do not think that there is. The Fermi Paradox has been good rationale for me to say that we haven't been visited by aliens like the world would believe.
 

Taylor

Puritan Board Graduate
I also think the timing of this “revelation” is convenient. Now that Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted, and no doubt has the names of many Democrat pedophiles ready to drop from her lips, this alien business will provide the perfect distraction while Maxwell “kills herself.”
 

ZackF

Puritan Board Post-Graduate
At the most in the near future, I think we're looking at finding microbes on Mars.
 

Ryan&Amber2013

Puritan Board Senior
I didn't really know ETs were taboo on the Board. It's pretty accepted stuff among most people I'm around. Even within Christianity, there are plenty of pastors that are open to the idea. Someone quoted C.S. Lewis. I think he speculated quite a bit about the possibility.

Now the abduction stuff... Many of those people seem like their mind's are in another world.
 

pgwolv

Puritan Board Freshman
I can't remember the passage now in Screwtape letters, but C.S. Lewis speculated (via Screwtape) that the demons would eventually reintroduce themselves into the modern age as "powers" in the universe, or perhaps as aliens. Certainly, you can see modern entertainment preparing the way for that to become plausible to the modern mind.
This is actually a creepy thought. I have never imagined a scenario where demons would manifest themselves to hordes of people in our day and age, albeit in such a disguise.:wow:
 

RobertPGH1981

Puritan Board Sophomore
I think that people felt this way during the moon landings back in the 60s. There are some major theological issues if intelligent life forms exist beyond our planet. How could the 2nd Adam fit into our salvation framework since they are a completely different category of species? The concepts of Christ being our surety and the incarnation categorically would only apply to mankind and not a different race. We would be forced to view them as animals or reprobates. This presupposes they don't have their own scriptures with their own surety. How would we handle that theologically?

My personal opinion is that we are the only intelligent species in the universe made in God's image. There might be bacteria out there or even mammals but nothing like image-bearers.
 
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Seeking_Thy_Kingdom

Puritan Board Sophomore
- UFO lands on the White House lawn.
- Alien walks out.
- We wait in eager anticipation on what it’s first words are
- “Hello, have you heard about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?”
- Scientists heads explode
 

RobertPGH1981

Puritan Board Sophomore
- “Hello, have you heard about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?”
- Scientists heads explode

They still would reject him and say that the "ancient aliens" gave the Israelites the text in Egypt long ago.

Thinking of his return though it probably would feel like a supernatural alien invasion.
 

De Jager

Puritan Board Sophomore
It says a lot when the some of the "smartest" people in the world today would spend much of their waking hours choosing to seek aliens rather than the one true God. This is an evidence of the reprobate mind. This is not something that we should encourage or take part in. It is labour of futility.
 

Tom Hart

Puritan Board Senior
I’m reminded of Richard Dawkins, who years ago suggested that aliens planted life on Earth. Somehow it was easily conceivable that extraterrestrials existed and invloved themselves in Earth’s affairs. But a Divine Creator? Out of the question.
 

RamistThomist

Puritanboard Clerk
Anyone ever notice that the messages received from these "aliens" sound a lot like Oprah platitudes and UN rhetoric? All about love and unity other rot. They never once talk about zero-point energy or something like that. That should be the give away that they are either demons or Deep State operatives.
 

Timmay

Puritan Board Freshman
I like Michael Heiser’s take on this:

Demons using technology and science to masquerade that they are demons to a culture steeped in science fiction. Some of the encounters and stories given about UFOs and aliens parallel accounts from the ancient world.
Our modern mindset can’t stand the concept of demons so the narrative changes to something wrapped around technology.


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ZackF

Puritan Board Post-Graduate
I’m reminded of Richard Dawkins, who years ago suggested that aliens planted life on Earth. Somehow it was easily conceivable that extraterrestrials existed and invloved themselves in Earth’s affairs. But a Divine Creator? Out of the question.
Yes. Dawkins will accept a more advanced civilizations regression but not God. It is a kind of multiple movers vs Prime Mover argument.
 
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