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Discussion in 'Movies' started by Ryan&Amber2013, Dec 25, 2017.
I just saw the new Star Wars. I thought it was a lot of fun and really well done. Any thoughts?
Our family almost never goes to the movies, but we saw it today as well (as a Christmas gift for our 9-year-old). We enjoyed it!
I want to see it, but I heard the feminists and soyboys hijacked the storyline. Supposedly it is about a strong independent woman who don't need no man.
Eh not really and I’m no feminist.
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Well I didn’t like it. If this is a spoiler thread I can tell you why but it wasn’t well executed.
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I gave it a 5 out of 10. Not happy with how Luke Skywalker's character was used. And what's with the Porgs? They added zero to the plot line.
I saw it on Tuesday last. Some great battle scenes, but there is a lot of SJW preaching in it. You should go on to YouTube and listen to Sargon of Akkad's review for a good laugh.
The next edition will feature all old white men as the enemy and a black homosexual and a transvestite Vader saving the day. There will also an obligatory scene of gay people kissing so as to teach the children that such things are really not that disgusting. Those are my predictions.
Do we know the sjw and feminism was intentional? I didn't look into it.
But at the same time, how is it wrong to portray a woman as a strong independent leader? She is single and grew up alone, right? As for the race stuff, I'm not exactly sure what is being referred to.
Yes, it is dumb to portray women as being able to fight as well as men. Or as being war leaders.
Y'all do understand that Disney is about making money, right? And that the most lucrative part of movie making in this day and age is marketing, right? Story line, integrity, and reality seldom, if ever, fit into the equation.
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Let me qualify my enjoyment: my 9-year-old son is enamored with lightsabers, laser blasters, and things going "boom." It's a movie series about space ninjas fighting with deadly glow sticks, so my expectations re: plot and character development are pretty low.
As long as he walked out ready to have a lightsaber battle with me when we got home, I was happy. He reads voraciously. Learning plot lines, character development, etc. is not a problem.
His feedback on today? "Dad, I don't think this day could possibly be any better!"
That's a win.
It was terrible.
There's a new word for me!
I haven't seen the movie, but I'm enjoying the reviews .
This is coming from a more of a Star trek guy, but have seen all of the SW movies.
Would say that was Ok, but that it did a bad job with the villains, as prior movie set up bad guy as being new Empower, than wipes him out in 1 shot. Also, the new general introduced was cannon fodder also.
The girls parents were also a big deal in prior movie, many saw her as Luke daughter, maybe Han and Leia, but another let down.
Luke did not get to go out in a blaze of glory, as he should have another dueled the big baddie in a great fight, just as Yoda and Emperor had, or else have himself sliced down for real by his apprentice, and rise up in the Force reborn again.
Not a bad movie, but to me not really SW either, or at least the one that had been already set up.
From what I've learned it is the new alt-right insult. It's supposedly those male feminists who drink a lot of heavy-estrogen products like soy milk.
(Mild spoilers here.)
The main message seemed to be that we ought to throw off old traditions and teachings in favor of a new, more egalitarian approach that's less top-down and more about the ordinary person rising up. Even though the old Jedi worldview was un-Christian to start, the message that it is outdated and probably oppressive fits a growing trend in our culture to view any organized religion (and Christianity in particular) as inherently oppressive.
The old Star Wars was modernist: learn the ways of success (like how to use the force) and you will conquer evil. This new movie has swallowed the current-day thinking that such ideas are outdated and likely harmful. It replaces the old sin of self-reliance through training with the new sin of self-creation through a vaguely defined experience of self-discovery.
Plus, the characters made decisions that were not sensible, and accomplished daring feats of heroism that ended up being for naught, and were uninteresting except for Luke and Rey. Not the best recipe for a satisfying popcorn flick.
Hah! Funny, I've never much like soy anything. I found even soy sauce was a sorry substitute for something like Tabasco.
I once ate some raw soy beans--they gave me gas.
Yeah, all the other Star Wars movies are so much more realistic!
I wanted to like it, but alas....I thought it cheapened Luke.
he really needed to be sent off with a bang, such as defeating that big baddie by showing off the real power of the Force.
I'm going to buck the trend growing in this thread. My wife and I both saw it and both thought it was very well done for a Star Wars film. But that's the thing, I'm getting the distinct feeling that a lot of the people commenting here don't understand what Star Wars is about. And I'm also disappointed that some who haven't seen it, have still seen fit to comment with their opinions about it being bad. Spoiler alert.
I just need to dump some thoughts. There is tons that could be said about the film.
First, it had a fantastic soundtrack. Let's get that out of the way
Second, there was some stark parallelism between many of the scenes and phrases, and intentionally so. Ben and Rey riding up in the elevator to Snoke's throne room (Vader and Luke to Palpatine's), the choice Rey had (Luke had), Snoke's arrogant downfall where he thought he "knew" someone perfectly (Palpatine). Ben's destroying of the Padawans (Anakin's), Luke's death (Obi-wan's), etc. etc. I could go on for a while.
There was a ton of symbolism too. Rey wearing white, Ben wearing black. Luke going as the sun is setting (his life setting), the double-sun looking back on what he has accomplished and closure reminding us of the double-sun he looked longingly at back when he wished to accomplish great things. The split lightsaber and the split rock, an analogy for how the two are trying to think of the Force as two separate things needing division. Luke wearing white and black, and lots more symbolism that I just didn't have time to process it all.
I did love the little moment at the end where the stable boy, after listening to the legend of Luke and wanting to be a Jedi himself, very habitually and unconsciously uses the Force to draw the broom to himself. It's what every little boy desires after watching Star Wars. And you can see that spark being lit that Leia referred to.
As for feminism, I'm not sure what is being referred to. The vice-admiral lady was annoying, and intentionally so, yet made a noble sacrifice. If she had been unequivocally right, I could see that issue, but she wasn't. Leia is the leader of the Resistance, but um...wasn't she kind of the same in the very first Star Wars? Rey is basically her. And yes, she is able to fight as well as a man, the point being not that women can fight well, but that the Force is powerful. Finn was awfully good at fighting too and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out he has the Force. Some SJW moments, I can probably see that, but not nearly to the horrible extent some in this thread would have me believe
Lastly, Luke's death. It was perfectly fitting for the character they had built and I'm totally puzzled by those who think he should have gone out in a blaze of glory. Like all the other Jedi? Just like Obi-wan? Or Yoda? Um...
As it was, we got both. We got to see Luke be "amazing" (even if it turned out to be a projection of himself), we got to see him willing to sacrifice himself, just like Obi-wan (parallelism, yes?), and we got to see him find peace and like he was passing on the baton, like Obi-wan. I can't think of a better way for that character to die. To go out in a blaze of glory, to unleash the power of the Force, would have been cool, but that would not have been the Jedi way and it wouldn't have been a Star Wars film. As it was, I thought it gave closure, he instilled fear into Kylo Ren (for all he knows, Luke is still alive, and will always be there waiting to take him down), he utilized his "legend" to give hope to the Resistance and fear to the First Order (none of which knew he wasn't really there), he found peace, and closure for himself in asking Kylo Ren's forgiveness, and he found that peace which meant he could finally let himself go (some struggle, conflict was holding him back before). His death fit his character very well, if you don't like the death, then you probably should just say you don't like the character.
Did it have some clunky moments? Yes. And I'd just as soon delete Leia's flying through space from my memory. There might have been a touch too much silly humour, but keep in mind that the first trilogy had these moments too, yet our minds colour them as "classic". Yet despite all this, I have no problem calling this a "Star Wars" film, and one I'd definitely see again. Keep in mind that the screenwriters had a near impossible job. The original films are 40 years old and rose-coloured "amazing" by many people (they were fun, but amazing they weren't). There is a new generation who grew up with the new Star Wars trilogy, which is itself 20 years old. Tying these together in a way that makes both those fan groups happy, and any new fans 40/20 years later, AND do justice to the series and make the fans believe that they really do "get" Star Wars, that's a tall order, and one which I'm amazed at how well they pulled off. I say well-done to those writers.
Now are the Jedi right? I'd say not. Do I think they are wise? No. But in this film, they are consistent with what has been established in other films. So react to it being stupid if you like, but don't forget that all the rest were stupid in the same way.
I don't intend to see the film, but I found this article interesting at least (so if you are trying to avoid spoilers, don't jump the link). https://www.dailywire.com/news/25060/stars-wars-last-jedi-5-biggest-complaints-fans-james-barrett
It was even better than Episode 2!
I don’t like sand.
What if they're just trying to say that she's the next Joan of Arc?
Ironic that New Stars Wars went so feminist....the relaunch of Episode 1 (The Phantom Menace) a few years back was like a list of cliched racial stereotypes:
--A jivey rasta-man with dreadlocks and low-intelligence (Jar Jar the Jamaican).
-- A hook-nosed greedy merchant in a desert country who speaks with a Middle Eastern accent even and has a little hat like the Jews wear.
--The backwards sand people in robes who rob everybody. I wonder who they could be?
--The overlords with slanted eyes who create the the teeming hordes of drone armies who all look the same. They even mix up their Rs and Ls for crying out loud! And they all have Japanese-sounding names like Cato, Deku, and Koru.
--And Jabba's palace looks just a little too much like the Hagia Sophia.
Where are the SJWs when you need them! At least they could come around to urge body acceptance for poor Jabba and to call him "brave" and to remind us that "beauty comes in all sizes."
Here, I think you all need to read this scholarly article from a major university on "Race, Gender, and Colonialism in Star Wars": http://wesscholar.wesleyan.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=etd_mas_theses
They finally got rid of that old grumpy white guy, Luke, as their goal is to just have minorities I think.
A couple points:
Logan nailed it
Some women do fight better than some men. Some men are complete pansies and I would never want to have them fight by my side. Whats wrong with highlighting the women who can fight and rise to the challenge?
The comment about only wanting minorities is ridiculous. Star Wars is a global phenomenon. We have three Asian daughters. For them, to see someone that does look like them contributing in heroic ways does establish a connection. The movie is not anti white in any way.
I sense at times there is a trend here to want to see way more evil and insidious intentions than what is really there. I would urge caution.
Logan nailed it.