Pilgrim
Puritanboard Commissioner
Klinean all the way. He taught one of my classes here (which was great by the way), and he definitely is not a Shepherd/FV fan. He did emphasize Gaffin's view alot regarding union with Christ.
Thanks guys.
We would do well not to cast aspersions on our brothers so recklessly just because they don't fit totally into our camp. What was posted above is no more fair than someone saying "I suspect all Klineans and the WSCAL crowd are antinomians who favor gay marriage and who don't believe scripture is sufficient."
I disagree, Chris. I was working with what he wrote, not with a stereotype based upon what school he attended. I have read enough from, and spoken enough with, Shepherd supporters within the OPC to understand their language. Maybe Mark is not one of them, but I have spoken with men who have invited Shepherd to teach his theology at their churches, who have incorporated his theological paradigms into their preaching and discipline, but when questioned pointedly about their support for his views have outright denied it (knowing that he was given the boot from WTS thirty years ago for it).
BTW, the Federal Vision and Norman Shepherd's theology, although overlapping at points, are not the same thing. So, theoretically, one could be a Shepherd supporter, and still state that they are in complete opposition to the FV. I know men in the OPC who have done as much.
This is correct. For example someone could be a Shepherd sympathizer but also be firmly committed to the RPW and strongly against paedocommunion although that's not usually how it seems to work out.
Earlier I was pointing out what seemed to be speculation on your part.
I admit I haven't studied Lutheranism much and will withdraw from this thread for now.