I was just listening to R Scott Clark yesterday about this very event and type of post mil.There was a brand of postmillennialism that fed into the social gospel of the 19th century that encouraged the continuous betterment of man and his circumstances to bring about a golden age. World War 1 ended that notion.
If we're all still around in 10 years, this will be a bad year for dispensationalism
I think it will hold out till the millennium, or the return of our King. Everyone I know who espouses it connects everything to political Israel. Unfortunately, if nothing crazy happens after people's timelines run out, some may see their faith shaken.I wonder what will spell the end of dispensationalism. The strongest claims in its favor, at least in my experience, all concern the modern state of Israel. Evidence includes the establishment of national Israel in 1948, claims of miraculous deliverance in war with the surrounding nations (I don't know how much of this is embellished), and, most recently, the peace accord between Israel, Bahrain, and the UAE. Although I am presently persuaded by the amillennial view, I come from a strongly dispensational background and hear repeatedly how these events, among others, prove that Israel is "God's prophetic time clock" and that we're getting close to the fulfillment of Daniel's 70th week. While superficially this may be an attractive position, I don't think it holds up on Scriptural grounds. Yet, I wonder what it will take for this view to begin passing away?
Pre DTS dispensationalism actually didn't hold to "end times speculation," as it saw all prophecies already fulfilled except those related to the coming of the Lord.
As a premil, hate to say, this isn't correct. Many of them were historicists. And historicism, especially in the past, has had a problem with date-setting. (For example, Jeremiah Burroughs dabbled with that before backing away from it later.) But I think this would have been more of an issue in the 17th and 18th Centuries than it would have been in the 19th, where futuristic views became more common.
Not necessarily to do with dispensationalism, but there is a long history of identifying Gog in Ezekiel 38-39 with whoever is the current threatening world power, from Ambrose in the 4th Century onward. Goths, Mongols, the Pope, Turks, and Russians have all featured, among many others. Lindsey type prophetic speculation has a long (though not distinguished) history.I took him to be referring to "historic" or "covenant" premils. If he is referring to dispensationaism before DTS, I'm not sure that would be correct either. But it may be accurate that prophetic speculation of the sensationalistic Lindsey type with which we're more familiar may not have started until WWI, and then WWII (i.e. wondering if Mussolini was the Antichrist) and the establishment of modern Israel, etc. Maybe what has been termed "Niagara premillennialism" wasn't so concerned with having the Bible in one hand and the paper in the other and was more concerned with liberalism in the denominations.
Plus, the idea that all prophecies are fulfilled except those pertaining to the return of the Lord is probably more compatible with modern amillennialism as well as modern preterism than it is with the older premil and is obviously incompatible with any era of dispensationalism. It seems to me that practically the whole foundation of Zionism (which some older premils as well as postmils affirmed) is that many of the OT prophecies pertaining to ethnic/national Israel are unfulfilled.
When The Man Comes Around by Doug Wilson arrived this morning! The more things seem out of whack the more I trust in God's promises. The gates of hell and all, they won't prevail, and (I be your pardon) God never promised you a rose garden.
...then came Nahum.
I've perused through his commentary. Its pretty elementary. I like others' better like Chilton even if he is in his own little world on some of the exegesis.When The Man Comes Around by Doug Wilson arrived this morning! The more things seem out of whack the more I trust in God's promises. The gates of hell and all, they won't prevail, and (I be your pardon) God never promised you a rose garden.
I've perused through his commentary. Its pretty elementary. I like others' better like Chilton even if he is in his own little world on some of the exegesis.