OPC Justification Report Out

Discussion in 'Federal Vision/New Perspectives' started by NaphtaliPress, Apr 18, 2006.

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  1. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    I see from other chat groups that the OPC "Report of the Committee to Study the Doctrine of Justification" is out.

    {Edit, to try and keep the PB from even the appearance of contributing to unauthorized spread. Let's abide by the OPC wishes, and not discuss anything pertaining to the report. Chris, you did nothing improper at the time to reference the links, I'm just making the change now.}

    [Edited on 4-19-2006 by Contra_Mundum]
  2. Jeff_Bartel

    Jeff_Bartel Puritan Board Graduate

    Very interesting. I'm interested to hear where they've come down. :book2:
  3. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    One person says his OPC contacts say the report is a godsend and that it condemns both the FV and the NPP as out of accord with both scripture and the confession.
  4. AdamM

    AdamM Puritan Board Freshman

    in my opinion, this outstanding report is the definitive treatment of the various New Perspectives for Evangelical and Reformed churches.

    Let's not publicize PWs...

    [Edited on 4-19-2006 by Contra_Mundum]
  5. Contra_Mundum

    Contra_Mundum Pilgrim, Alien, Stranger Staff Member

    Sure but,...
    It really doesn't matter how well written it is. JR already anathematized this church as of 1948.

    {ghost of van til} "Boo!"
  6. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

  7. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    Is there a reason why they're not making the report available without a PW? Does somebody have the report? I can't get to it.
  8. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Puritan Board Doctor

    I think it is only intended for OPC GA use until it is approved by the GA. After that it will probably be public on the OPC website.
  9. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    Roger. Thanks.
  10. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

  11. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    This report appears to be very straightforward in its assessment of the FV and NPP. I would expect advocates of the FV to be vehement at the OPC GA - because if the report is adopted, they are likely done.

    I would be surprised if the PCA feels the need to have its own study committee after this 91 page report, whose authors include one who has been heavily criticized (apparently wrongly) by John Robbins et al as being pro-FV (Gaffin).

    I am not sure what several PCA ministers will say on their blogs tomorrow, since they have spent years defending the principles criticized in the report (think about their view of the efficacy of baptism, and moaning about grace in the covenant in Eden)

    {Edit, removing quote}

    [Edited on 4-19-2006 by Contra_Mundum]
  12. WrittenFromUtopia

    WrittenFromUtopia Puritan Board Graduate

  13. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    fyi. There is some surprise expressed on the Yahoo OPC discussion forum that the report has been made so public since it has not yet been presented to GA which has to act on it; and some indicate it is likely to be tinkered with or attempts there at.
  14. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    In retrospect, that is quite astonishing that somebody published the report before adoption. That doesn't seem very Presbyterian for the committee to publish the report before it is adopted by GA.
  15. Casey

    Casey Puritan Board Junior

    This may be symantics . . but . . the Report has been made "public," but the report has not been "published." I'll see about talking to my professor today (Rev. Alan Strange) to ask why it's been made "public." My guess: It's a weighty matter, and the Report (being rather long) needs to be "digested" by the church before it can be received and the recommendations adopted. Yes? :um: Unless items of discipline, Presbyteries and General Assemblies are always public -- including most of their reports. It seems more a "Presbyterian thing" to remain transparent. Yes?
  16. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    That is probably the situation. Prof. Strange told me some weeks back it would be "out" before GA (he wrote some 19K words of it if I recall what he told me correctly). Prof. Strange is one of the contributing editors to The Confessional Presbyterian journal.
  17. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    I don't know. I should have made it more of an interrogative. It just seemed that the GA's "job" is to determine which parts it's going to actually "make public" and approve. It might end up being scandalous if portions are omitted later. I'll be curious to hear what your professor says.
  18. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    I do wonder, have all previous study committee papers "come out" like this or is it just the amount of contoversy over the issue that brings the pre distribution of the paper into discussion?
  19. beej6

    beej6 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Actually, the report itself in the first page/introduction speaks briefly to the issue of the internet and its uses. I suspect the report's posting on the website is the fastest way to distribute it to OP presbyters and members. I suppose for those not familiar with Presbyterian/OP church government that a "disclaimer" could have been posted as well that the report is finished but not accepted. Clearly someone/some people felt this report was important enough to distribute in this way rather than by snail mail etc.
  20. Contra_Mundum

    Contra_Mundum Pilgrim, Alien, Stranger Staff Member

    The fact that it is so full a report means that ministers, sessions, and especially GA commissioners need the report in advance in order to give it proper study and consideration. This is much better to be done with a couple months notice, and not on the day everyone shows up at GA.

    E-mail is the world's cheapest distribution system ever. This is a rather substantial report, just talking size. ANT can give you going rates for shipping. Then there's printing costs. Either the stated clerk's office could absorb all that at the nearest Kinkos, Staples, or OfficeMax, or blow it all on 7 or 8 toner cartridges, or let all the presbytery stated clerks crank it out (in addition to--most of them--pastoring their churches).

    What about e-mail? Why not send it to all the minsters, pastors, and elders in the whole denomination? Well, not only does the STO not have all those e-mail addresses, it is not their job to have them. And maybe all these guys don't want (or need ) the report. The commissioners to GA are the ones in particular, although every minster and session really do need to be "up" on the issue.

    So why the "secrecy"? Well, its not really "secret", after all, we don't hold secret meetings, or star-chamber deliberations. The church isn't a secret society. But this is not ready for general distribution. The present report has yet to be submitted to the church officially--at GA for deliberation, and from GA to the church. So, its not "hanging out there" on the web or anything else. You have to "try" to get it, and if you want it badly enough, you can get it without too much trouble. It's like a present wrapped up, under the tree. Its already been bought, and dressed up. It gets opened in a few weeks.

    {Edit, again, we may discuss the fact of the report, and other's references, but let us not "open the present" until Krissmiss.

    [Edited on 4-19-2006 by Contra_Mundum]
  21. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    Someone messed up. Here is a note I saw just now:

    [Edited on 4-19-2006 by NaphtaliPress]
  22. WrittenFromUtopia

    WrittenFromUtopia Puritan Board Graduate

    Not surprisingly at all, Peter Leithart has made his first "that's not what I really said" response on his blog: www.leithart.com
  23. Casey

    Casey Puritan Board Junior

  24. AdamM

    AdamM Puritan Board Freshman

    Friends, as suspected by some earlier, the Stated Clerk of the OPC did not want the committee report released to the general public prior to consideration by the GA. I understand that they have requested that out of respect their process, folks hold off on web discussions until after the OPC speaks to the report. Let's be sure to respect their wish and keep a lid on it until after the June GA.
  25. sastark

    sastark Puritan Board Graduate

    Perhaps this thread could be locked until then?
  26. Contra_Mundum

    Contra_Mundum Pilgrim, Alien, Stranger Staff Member

    The reason I didn't lock it, and yet did major editing in this one, is so that there is one place to talk about the fact that there IS a report, or related matters, but so that we aren't openning and closing 15-20 threads on the same topic. We will NOT discuss the report at all. And any post of substance dealing with its contents will be deleted. Until the 2006 OPC GA is concluded.
  27. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    No problem; thanks for the edits Bruce.
  28. Casey

    Casey Puritan Board Junior

    For additional clarification and confirmation of what has already been expressed: I asked my professor, the Rev. Alan Strange (who is on the Committee who wrote report), about the report . . he said it was intended for officers of the church to review, and explicitly said he would not like the report discussed on the Internet. Although he did suggest that he wasn't too concerned about the spread of the report, since it will most probably not be revised. The report will be presented to the GA in the form it presently is in (most probably). The only question is whether or not the recommendations will be adopted. Either way, we probably shouldn't discuss it online--though we can read it if we got it. :D
  29. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    I'd like to read it just to be more informed on the issues involved.
  30. gwine

    gwine Puritan Board Sophomore

    Hope I am not off-topic but I am trying to print the report out and I cannot get the Greek to print. Has anyone been able to do so? It is calling for GreekNT,Bold font.

    I know, Bob, I should let it go, but I can't. I just can't. :chained::chained::chained:
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