What would you say to a T.U.I.P. Calvinist who avers that regeneration comes after we are given faith by God. Now, this guy (a friend; the same one I mentioned in the Limited Atonement thread) affirms that God is the agent in our salvation, but he just doesn't think that it's necessary to place regeneration in the traditional order.
I assent to the Ordo Salutis, but, for this breed of Calvinist, what theological problems arise out of believing regeneration comes after we are given faith. What are some compelling exegetical and theological arguments against such a belief.
Note: I've read both Murray and Berkhof on this subject, and, as far as I can recall, neither of them deal with the consequences of placing regeneration after we are given faith. I just read through Murray's Chapter on Regeneration in Redemption Accomplished and Applied.
I assent to the Ordo Salutis, but, for this breed of Calvinist, what theological problems arise out of believing regeneration comes after we are given faith. What are some compelling exegetical and theological arguments against such a belief.
Note: I've read both Murray and Berkhof on this subject, and, as far as I can recall, neither of them deal with the consequences of placing regeneration after we are given faith. I just read through Murray's Chapter on Regeneration in Redemption Accomplished and Applied.