Featured Overture to PCA GA Promoting Women Deacons

Discussion in 'Church Office' started by Bill Duncan, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:18 AM.

  1. Bill Duncan

    Bill Duncan Puritan Board Freshman

  2. earl40

    earl40 Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Not knowing how this gets past Presbytery. I am asking does this rise to the GA by a majority vote at the Presbytery?
     
  3. BGF

    BGF Puritan Board Sophomore

    If the theology behind it is that the deacon is not an ordained office, why would they seek ordination?
     
  4. Bill Duncan

    Bill Duncan Puritan Board Freshman

    Yes.
     
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  5. Bill Duncan

    Bill Duncan Puritan Board Freshman

    The overture promotes taking all of the ordination language away by striking "deacon" from BCO ordination sections among other changes.
     
  6. BGF

    BGF Puritan Board Sophomore

    My question was prompted by sloppy reading on my part. I missed the "not" in your sentence. Sorry for the confusion.
     
  7. iainduguid

    iainduguid Puritan Board Freshman

    I don't think this is correct. It takes away deacon in chapter 24, but only to relocate it in a new chapter 25 "Election, Ordination and Installation of Deacons". In that chapter it seems clear that deacons (both male and female) would be ordained.
     
  8. Bill Duncan

    Bill Duncan Puritan Board Freshman

    You are right. Should I retract the post?
     
  9. earl40

    earl40 Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Is Acts 6 not simple enough to dispel any thought of this subject? Here we have "men" to be installed by Pastors "We will turn this responsibility".

    “It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of in order to wait on tables. Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word.”
     
  10. hammondjones

    hammondjones Puritan Board Sophomore

    Better to have an honest and straightforward debate and vote than to continue the current state.
     
  11. Ryan&Amber2013

    Ryan&Amber2013 Puritan Board Junior

    So what does this mean simply? I'm a part of the PCA.
     
  12. earl40

    earl40 Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Well a majority of that Presbytery thinks the issue must be considered, and in my opinion this issue should have been shot down at the local church level, even before it got to the higher court. I see this as a layman, and am disappointed how our elders are acting by allowing this issue to go forth.

    In my most humble opinion it is simply a matter of time till the PCA allows lady deacons. I may die before this happens, but I am confident it is coming, if history has taught me anything.
     
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  13. Hamalas

    Hamalas whippersnapper

    Agreed. It's time to draw some lines in the sand.
     
  14. De Jager

    De Jager Puritan Board Freshman

    My understanding is as follows (please let me know if this is incorrect): There are deacons, and then there are deacons.

    The word transliterated as "deacon" is from the Greek word diakonos which simply means "servant". The Bible lists both men and women as servants, using the word diakonos.

    However, the Bible also speaks of special "diakonos" in Acts 6 and 1 Timothy, who are selected to be servant-leaders in the church. 1 Timothy pretty clearly teaches that these servant leaders are to be men.

    Therefore, while a woman can and should be a servant in the church, she cannot hold the position of leadership among the servants, which is reserved for qualified men, in keeping with the principle of male/female headship evident throughout scripture.

    A woman can do "deacon things" like distribute alms, take collections, etc. but should be under the leadership of a deacon when she does them.
     
  15. Ryan&Amber2013

    Ryan&Amber2013 Puritan Board Junior

    I'm confused as I thought this issue was just rejected at the previous GA?
     
  16. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    Liberals keep coming at an issue until they win once, then it is settled for all time. And they move on to the next issue on their agenda. If they lose this year, they might bide their time for a couple of years, but they will be back.
     
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  17. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    History has borne this out more than once.

    My experience in the Presbyterian Church in Canada is the same, only there things are much further along. These days it's same-sex marriage and ordination of homosexuals. It hasn't passed yet, but the liberals have a go every couple of years, and the same people are always yammering on about it in the intervals.
     
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  18. De Jager

    De Jager Puritan Board Freshman

    I spent a few years in the PCC as a child. We left when the minister told my dad that there were many ways to get to heaven.
     
  19. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    The PCC is going, and has mostly gone, the way of the United Church of Canada. It's almost as though it's a competition to see which denomination can bleed out fastest.
     
  20. De Jager

    De Jager Puritan Board Freshman

    It is true, and yet there are still faithful congregations within both. They are in the minority though. It's just sad.
     
  21. toddpedlar

    toddpedlar Iron Dramatist Staff Member

    In part, Earl, the reason this got past Presbytery because in the Presbytery it came from, this has been the practice of many (if not most) of the churches. Shouldn't really be too much of a surprise this passed Presbytery - just look at the last 25 years of practice of Redeemer and its daughter churches (which make up much of Metro NYC presbytery) and consider the influence Redeemer has had over them. They've been ordaining women to the office of deaconness (ok, they said "commissioning" so that they abided by the letter of the law, but their "commissioning" vows were essentially identical to the ordination vows male deacons took) since at least 1994 when I was present for an ordination service there at Redeemer.

    It's frankly surprising to me that they took this long to formally propose these changes.
     

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