PCA Strategic Plan: Alternate credentialing paths

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  1. raekwon

    raekwon Puritan Board Junior

    Ladies & gents,

    Just a heads-up -- some friends and I have started a collaborative blog (oh no, not another blog) about life & ministry in the PCA called Vintage73.

    Anyway, we're discussing pros and cons of some of the points of the proposed Strategic Plan -- the latest being alternative paths to ordination as a Teaching Elder. We've got two posts up on the topic so far.

    Alternative Credentialing: Do We Need New Avenues to Ordination? | Vintage73.com
    The Importance of Discussing Alternative Credentialing Paths | Vintage73.com

    Please feel free to join in on the discussion!
     
  2. Andres

    Andres Puritan Board Doctor

    Rae, I read the first post and it was definitely interesting. My first thoughts as a hispanic was that I was offended that we're not considered capable enough to go through the regular ordination paths. (I'm actually OPC but you get the point) But the article does have some good points, so I guess what I am saying is I really don't know. I will have to read the second article later.
     
  3. Covenant Joel

    Covenant Joel Puritan Board Sophomore

    Very interesting, I've added the blog to my reader. I've been thinking about this topic quite a bit recently, as I'm finishing up my non-traditional MAR from RTS. I also have a few friends in a non-traditional situation, so I think it's a conversation that definitely needs to happen.
     
  4. MRC

    MRC Puritan Board Freshman

    Be careful with providing too many "alternate" ordination approaches. It is very easy to get a "don't need no education" approach to ministry that will hurt the whole church in the long run. Moving towards more of an "apprenticeship" approach could easily move towards an anti-intellectual bias in the whole denomination.
     
  5. ericfromcowtown

    ericfromcowtown Puritan Board Sophomore

    i'd like to think that the author would rephrase his opening sentence if given the opportunity, or at the very least qualify it. If your church is in a town or neighbourhood that's 90% white and your church is 90% white, then I don't see what the problem is. If, however, your neighbourhood is 50% white and your congregation is 90% white then perhaps that might give you cause to ask whether you're needlessly adding to the inescapable offense of the cross. However, to make a blanket statement like that above smells of white liberal guilt. :barfy:
     
  6. Montanablue

    Montanablue Puritan Board Doctor

    I once heard a PCA pastor say that he thought the church should not be "multi ethnic" so much as it should be "indigenous" - that is that it should reflect the makeup of the community in which it rests. I thought that very wise.
     
  7. raekwon

    raekwon Puritan Board Junior

    Yup.
     
  8. Scott1

    Scott1 Puritan Board Doctor

    On one level, one can understand a certain appeal of this kind of reasoning.

    But on a deeper level, these kind of proposals do not seem to further the peace and purity of the church.

    It is also difficult to conceive of "alternate credentialing paths" in the Kingdom of God.
     
  9. Covenant Joel

    Covenant Joel Puritan Board Sophomore

    Why do you say this? In what way do they not further the peace and unity of the church? And why is it difficult to conceive of alternal credentialing paths in the KoG? There's certainly nothing in Scripture about the current credentialing path (B.A., then M.Div.). I'm not saying there's a problem with it in and of itself...it was designed to make sure men are well trained. And that is a very good thing, and that emphasis ought not to be diminished. But I fail to see why it is difficult to conceive that there can be other methods in which men are trained by the church to serve in the church--while yet holding to high standards as to their lives, knowledge, and biblical understanding.

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    While that certainly is wise in one sense, it seems to me that we also ought to think about why our communities are the way that we are. Have many white, middle class folk retreated to communities where everybody's the same because they don't want to deal with the tough issues of diversity? I'm not saying that is the case across the board. But it's something that we ought to consider...perhaps we've insulated ourselves too much. I'm quite sure that this isn't the case across the board, in every location, but it's probably something that should be looked at.
     
  10. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    I don't see a clear credentialing path in the NT. Therefore to vary from this lack of a clear credentialing path is no problem. We have general principles, mostly of character, in the NT for the determination of leaders.


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  11. TimV

    TimV Puritanboard Botanist

    Retreat?
     
  12. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

    Slightly amusing side note on "diversity".

    In the PC(USA) you are directed by Church Law to have "diversity" in your congregation and leadership by correlating yourself to certain percentages. I remember a person from Presbytery coming to visit our church in middle-of-nowhere up-in-the-hills West Virginia and in an almost exasperated tone asking why we did not have any African-Americans or Hispanics in our congregation (assuming it was because we were racists of some sort, because you know all us backwoods people are like that). When we showed her the demographics of the county (literally 98% Caucasian, we had two non-white persons in my graduating class from High School and one was an exchange student from Brazil) she wanted to know what we could do to encourage more "minorities" to move to our county and join our church, like we had control over immigration patterns into the hill country of West Virginia. It was simply amazing watching her brain explode.
     
  13. Covenant Joel

    Covenant Joel Puritan Board Sophomore

    For sure, to try to push for diversity in a situation like that seems ridiculous. But I wonder (question, not really making a case for it, since I don't really know) if in other places--in suburbs near big cities possibly--white middle class people tend to end up in the same place, away from all others. At least, where I grew up, it seemed like that. Though granted, that's a huge generalization, and even if there is some truth to it, it may have happened years ago and may not be intentional now.
     
  14. raekwon

    raekwon Puritan Board Junior

    Huh?
     
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