KenPierce
Puritan Board Freshman
AS some of us have experienced first hand, the problem of too many pastors for churches in the PCA. Yet, there has been little to no talk about how to address the problem.
We must conclude one of 3 things:
a.) God doesn’t know what he’s doing, because he’s called far more men than we need.
b.) The PCA is about to have a major revival, and explode in number of churches.
c.) We are judging far more men to be called than are actually called.
I vote for c.
Since our seminaries, with one exception, are independent entities, and all of them, without exception, are market driven, they churn out candidates on the principle that more is better. The entrance exam is the ability to sign one’s name on his check.
And, we have all experienced the unfortunate passing of the buck between congregation, presbytery, and seminary.
The seminary says, “It’s the presbytery’s job to credential these men. We just teach.”
The presbytery says, “Well, he’s been through seminary. Who are we to say he’s not called? The local church will determine whether he’s really called or not”
The congregation says, “The presbytery and the seminary signed off on the man, so he must be suitable.”
Nobody is minding the store. And, what is more, it reduces “the call” merely to “inward call,” and we become virtual charismatic/pietists who cannot question a man’s internal call by his utter lack of externally-observable gifts and qualifications.
How many churches have been hurt, split, or even closed because of our lack of diligence?
Here’s a thought to start possible discussion:
Men ought to have proven ministry gifts before attending seminary.
The weight of presbytery’s approval should not be in favor of, “We’ll ordain you, unless you give us reason not to,” but rather, “We need compelling reason. Prove to us that you are called.” That proof, of course, would come out of possessing Christian maturity, Biblical/theological acumen, pastoral heart, and, above all, the ABILITY TO PREACH. Sorry to shout, but how many guys have we passed along who have little to no skill in this area in clear violation of the Biblical mandate.
I know that nobody begins out as Lloyd-Jones, but one can usually discern who is a preacher and who is not, even by very generous estimation.
I say this with a bit of fear and trembling, because I likely would not have passed these tests when I was ordained. But, that is irrelevant. As I understand it, this is the process similar to that used by Sovereign Grace: gifts are identified by leaders, and leaders encourage those who appear called to ministry, and only men thus approved are sent to their ministerial academy. That seems so much more “right” than the way we do it.
Time to start this conversation, folks.
We must conclude one of 3 things:
a.) God doesn’t know what he’s doing, because he’s called far more men than we need.
b.) The PCA is about to have a major revival, and explode in number of churches.
c.) We are judging far more men to be called than are actually called.
I vote for c.
Since our seminaries, with one exception, are independent entities, and all of them, without exception, are market driven, they churn out candidates on the principle that more is better. The entrance exam is the ability to sign one’s name on his check.
And, we have all experienced the unfortunate passing of the buck between congregation, presbytery, and seminary.
The seminary says, “It’s the presbytery’s job to credential these men. We just teach.”
The presbytery says, “Well, he’s been through seminary. Who are we to say he’s not called? The local church will determine whether he’s really called or not”
The congregation says, “The presbytery and the seminary signed off on the man, so he must be suitable.”
Nobody is minding the store. And, what is more, it reduces “the call” merely to “inward call,” and we become virtual charismatic/pietists who cannot question a man’s internal call by his utter lack of externally-observable gifts and qualifications.
How many churches have been hurt, split, or even closed because of our lack of diligence?
Here’s a thought to start possible discussion:
Men ought to have proven ministry gifts before attending seminary.
The weight of presbytery’s approval should not be in favor of, “We’ll ordain you, unless you give us reason not to,” but rather, “We need compelling reason. Prove to us that you are called.” That proof, of course, would come out of possessing Christian maturity, Biblical/theological acumen, pastoral heart, and, above all, the ABILITY TO PREACH. Sorry to shout, but how many guys have we passed along who have little to no skill in this area in clear violation of the Biblical mandate.
I know that nobody begins out as Lloyd-Jones, but one can usually discern who is a preacher and who is not, even by very generous estimation.
I say this with a bit of fear and trembling, because I likely would not have passed these tests when I was ordained. But, that is irrelevant. As I understand it, this is the process similar to that used by Sovereign Grace: gifts are identified by leaders, and leaders encourage those who appear called to ministry, and only men thus approved are sent to their ministerial academy. That seems so much more “right” than the way we do it.
Time to start this conversation, folks.