Pope holding the hard line

Discussion in 'Cults & World Religions' started by BobVigneault, Jul 10, 2007.

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  1. BobVigneault

    BobVigneault Bawberator

    Latest Pope news.

    Yeeeehawwwww! You go JOE! I don't want to hear any of you accusing my Franzi drinking buddy of being wishy-washy. He has set his hand to the plow and he's not looking back. I just hope no body poisons his soup like they did to poor old John Paul the Oneth.

    I love a man of strong conviction and this type of thing just endears me even more to him. Hey Joe! Call my cell, we'll go see Transformers or something and then get a beer! We'll celebrate our differences. Wooohoooo!
     
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  2. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    10:25 AM CDT on Tuesday, July 10, 2007
    Associated Press

    LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.


    The demon possesed fat man in the funny hat has spoken. All bow and do reverence.
     
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  3. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    Sort of drags down the ECT momentum a little, doesn't it.

    Nice to have things set out clearly, it's a lot more fun when the lines are drawn.
     
  4. calgal

    calgal Puritan Board Graduate

    Something tells me Ian Paisley is doing a happy dance right about now. :lol: I saw that earlier and found it encouraging that the pope is contradicting the KumBaYah ECT nonsense.
     
  5. BobVigneault

    BobVigneault Bawberator

    I am taking extreme umbrage with that statement sir. The man is NOT fat. If you continue in calling him fat then I will raise my extreme umbrage to utter vexation. See if I won't.
     
  6. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    Fat man with a funny hat in a Halloween costume!;)
     
  7. Dagmire

    Dagmire Puritan Board Freshman

    The papacy is an antichrist at best and the Antichrist at worst.
     
  8. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor


    Well said young man.:up:
     
  9. Jerusalem Blade

    Jerusalem Blade Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    They take their hard line -- let no one complain when we take ours. The God of truth judge between us.
     
  10. Mathetes

    Mathetes Puritan Board Freshman

    Well it's a good thing they don't have to exercise private judgment! One has to wonder how we Protestants got by so far without such infallible certainty as the Rock of Peter provides for his flock.
     
  11. SolaGratia

    SolaGratia Puritan Board Junior

    This Pope is the only Roman Catholic person thinking and acting CONCISTENTLY as a True Catholic. Too bad, the English and American Catholics (Cardinals, Bishops, Priest, Laity, etc.) are ignorant to see their own true religious belifs. Seems to me that the Devil is changing once again his strategy and bringing once again divisions, lies, hatred, etc.
     
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  12. MrMerlin777

    MrMerlin777 Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    At the very least there is now someone sitting in Rome that recognizes the vast chasm between Catholocism and Protestantism. I can at least commend that. in my opinion it is good to see the polarization. Now we can stop beating around the bushes regarding the vast differences between the Roman church and biblical Christianity.
     
  13. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    I don't care what that ex-NAZI dotard thinks anyway! Devil take him..........oh wait.......he already has.
     
  14. BobVigneault

    BobVigneault Bawberator

    Godwin's Law went into effect after only 13 posts into the thread. How about THAT?!! :up:
     
  15. javajedi

    javajedi Puritan Board Freshman

    At least he is being honest and open about it. But I doubt the ECT "true believers" will listen to what he says.

    This part of the article was amazing:

    Makes me think of the abused wife that makes excuses for the husband and refuses to press charges or leave [I mean no offense to those who have dealt with spouse abuse].

    It very clear that to the Pope, ecumenicalism means everyone else becoming RC.
     
  16. Davidius

    Davidius Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Max? Did you change your name?
     
  17. Scott

    Scott Puritan Board Graduate

    Does anyone know if the document is available online?
     
  18. jsup

    jsup Puritan Board Freshman

    I haven't found the document just this basic articles. Here's a good site for all our pure-bred Protestants against the antichrists of Rome.

    The Pope has just reaffirmed what so many of us already knew and stood against for so long.
     
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  19. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

  20. Scott

    Scott Puritan Board Graduate

    This looks most relevant to us:
    It is interesting that they have a pretty clear answer on what makes a church. Protestants often do not. There is much disagreement and confusion on this issue. If an unordained guy gets some people together, calls the group a church, and starts doing some churchy things (eg. "preaching" and singing), is the organization a church? Most evangelicals would say yes. Many people on this puritan-themed board would say yes.
     
  21. BobVigneault

    BobVigneault Bawberator

    Let us remain equally clear why we draw a line of difference that cannot be ignored. These are the words of the "Mother" church from Trent.
     
  22. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritanboard Amanuensis

    i am checking Chuck Colson's site frequently to see if he will comment on it.
     
  23. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    Maybe he will return his Templeton.................:lol:........RIGHT........
     
  24. Scott

    Scott Puritan Board Graduate

    The new papal document's understanding is consistent with the way I originally read Lumen Gentium and related docs, except I was not clear on "subsists," and am still not totally clear.

    The VII docs still say that protestants are "Christians" and "brothers," which is good. Their failure to recognize protestant groups generally as churches is not surprising. We have a hard time ourselves determining that.
     
  25. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    I am Roman Catholic Educated, those of us who are former RCC pupils or members call this madness "Roman Logic".:book2:
     
  26. SolaGratia

    SolaGratia Puritan Board Junior

    I believe in the pope, binder and looser in heaven, earth, and hell, and in Simony, his only son our lord, who was conceived by the canon law and born of the Romish church. Under his power truth suffered, was crucified, dead and buried, and through the ban descended to hell, rose again through the gospel and Paul and was brought to Charles, sitting at his right hand, who in future is to rule over spiritual and wordly things. I believe in the canon law, in the Romish church, in the destruction of faith and of the communion of saints, in indulgences both for the remission of guilt and penalty in purgatory, in the resurrection of the flesh in an Epicurean life, because given to us by the Holy Father, the pope. Amen.
     
  27. Scott

    Scott Puritan Board Graduate

    I certainly think Vatican II was a serious break with Trent and pasty doctrines. The RC attempt to harmonize VII with older doctrines, as you suggest, fails.
     
  28. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    This is actually great news for me. My family is Roman Catholic. For years they have been under the delusion that there is no difference between Roman Catholics and Protestants or that the difference was one of "excitement."

    I went to Saint Bartholomew's Roman Catholic Church in Southwest Fort Worth (on Alta Mesa < a mile from Southwest High School for you people familiar with the Metroplex).

    The priest there arrived about the same time my family did (dad got stationed at Carswell). He was not well received by some traditionalists but by force of personality asserted himself. He was, for all intents and purposes, a charismatic first and a Roman Catholic second. He still performed the rituals but all his homilies and Bible Studies were Charismatic. I learned that I needed to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, to read my Bible daily, and to spend quiet time so I could "...discern the Lord's will." I would have fit right in at an Assemblies of God Church.

    We used to give weekly testimony and a regular testimony went something like: "One of my co-workers was so mean. They found out I was Catholic and thought we believed differently. After we talked for a while they realized I was just as excited about Jesus as they were...."

    Suffice to say, I was extremely confused about Roman Catholics and Protestants for years to come. It was, frankly, a blessing because when I finally decided to go back to Church, I was more interested in finding a Church that had "...dynamic worship" than I was in finding a Roman Catholic Church which are fairly universally boring and extremely unfriendly.

    I was challenged by this girl I was dating about my beliefs and "...why didn't I attend Church...?" so I closed my eyes and picked a Church at random. I met Sonya at that non-denominational Christian Church. I got immersed there (got my bases covered Credo-Baptists!!!!) but I was still extremely ignorant of the differences. Sonya and I, when we visited home, would still attend Mass. In our ignorance, we even took communion.

    Then, in 1997, I heard the last 5 minutes of Renewing Your Mind for the first time while driving in Quantico. R.C. was talking about the Lord's Supper and it intrigued me. Based on that small snippet, I ordered his series on Roman Catholicism and the book Faith Alone. I read Faith Alone in Feb 1997 on my first ever visit to Okinawa, Japan in fact! It was like a lightning bolt hit my mind as I was reading that. Within the week, I was already crafting a letter to my family explaining to them why I had fully repudiated Roman Catholicism and what the need for the Reformation was.

    I believe this pronouncement will be used by God. I pray, that in God's Providence, he will keep the current Pope alive long enough to clearly define what his wicked church is all about. Roman Catholics are, in vast numbers, in slumber intellectually about what they believe. Post-modernism allows Protestants and Roman Catholics to be under the illusion that there are no differences. It allows folks like Billy and Franklin Graham to invite Roman Catholics to share in their "evangelical" efforts and then even plug in their fresh "converts" to Roman Catholic Churches.

    I welcome unequivocal lines to be drawn. Let there be truth again and may God, in His wise Providence, use whatever means to that end to bring it about!
     
  29. Gryphonette

    Gryphonette Moderator

    Great snakes, Rich, Dmitry's girl friend lives not far off Alta Mesa, so I drive past St. Bartholomew's often. In fact, when we were members of St. Andrews Catholic in the TCU area, our son Alex - the one in the Navy stationed in Yokosuka - attended preschool at St. Bart's.

    It's...it's...as if we're twins. =8^o

    Or something. ;^)
     
  30. JasonGoodwin

    JasonGoodwin Puritan Board Sophomore

    Well that just takes away the DUH factor...:lol:

    BTW, nice to know that I'm not the only Liberty DLP student on here. Are you going to LTS?
     
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