Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Wayne,
How can you say that when Calvin's quotes have provided more than enough proof that he DID in fact subscribe to presumption?
But as Christ enjoins them to teach before baptizing, and desires that none but believers shall be admitted to baptism -- it would appear that baptism is not properly administered, unless when it is preceded by faith."
John Calvin, Commentary on Matthew 28:19.
The above quote proves that he presumed; there is no other rationale.
Scott,
You're trying to have it both ways. If the above quote relates to presumption, what kind of presumption is it? Does Calvin say: "But as Christ enjoins them to teach before baptizing, and desires that none but the regenerate shall be admitted to baptism" and "it would appear that baptism is not properly administered, unless when it is preceded by "regeneration" ?
No. He uses the words "believers" and "faith." Belief and faith results in conversion, not regeneration. You yourself have told me that more than a dozen times, along with "regeneration is not conversion."
If Calvin is dealing with presumption, the quote proves much more than you want it to.