Puritan Board Doctor
You know MAtt, I'm still having trouble finding where Witsius teaches presumptive regeneration. Do yo have any refernces? I've been trying to study all the men you listed in support of your view of presumptive regeneration in your catechism, and I certainly don't see them saying what you are saying. Ames, Rutherford, John Brown, and Owen, all argue that children are baptized because the covenant is made with them, and because [i:08be83f454]if[/i:08be83f454] they are saved, it is because they are in covenant, therefore we should not withhold the sign of the covenant. They never even asked the question of whether or not they were regenerate. The only time I have found the issue to be raised at all is regarding infants who die in infancy. So I would appreciate some more references please.